Malcom

[Donatello]

I would very much like to jump on a hype train if ANYONE can enlighten me with some details about the player we just paid over 40 mil??? Anybody?

He is the shittiest Barca signing ever.
No Skills, No strength, No discipline, No defensive contribution, No work horse.

Sadly he can't be a top 5 winger in next 2 years.

We overpaid for him big time, shouldn't have offered more than 20M. Fuck Roma.

Happy Now??

 

[te amo barca]

We had to buy a winger. We had only real one winger in Dembele. I don’t consider Coutinho to be one even though he plays well there. He is not a conventional winger with pace to stretch the play I mean. I’m just glad that we dodged a bullet in Willian.

 

[Trickykid]

Yea he is not willian who we were about to spend 70m on.

No we weren't.

 

[Tekkers]

In 90s and 00s, you are right.

Football is evolving.

In the past:
Barca had players with 10/10 technique and 5/10 in physique.
Other teams had technique 7-8/10 and phyisque 7/10, so our players were good enough.

When other teams raised the bar and started to buy players with 9/10 technique and 9/10 in physique (Psg, Chelsea, Bayern for example), our players weren't as dominant anymore.
So, OTHER teams forced us to raise the bar and to improve our players from 10/10 in technique and 5/10 in physique to 10/10 in tech and at least 7-8/10 in physique.

The same is with defending.
In 90s and 00s, Maradona, Totti, Rivaldo and similar didn't need to defend at all.
They were walking and saving energy for attacking actions.
In 2018, you can't have players who are walking anymore.
Or, in the best case, you can have one walker, like Messi, but even then a team will suffer in defense.

You surely can't have Messi, Dembele, Malcom, Suarez, Coutinho on a field in the same time, unless if you are playing CDR matches at Camp Nou.
So, in the past, it was ok for attackers, CAMs and wingers to mostly rest, walk and wait for attacking actions.
But since English teams, Bayern, Psg and similar have raised the bar, you can't play against them anymore with 6 fighters and 5 walkers, while they have 10-11 fighters on a field.
Our technique won't help us either against them, since those teams have also raised their technique to a let's say 10/10 level.

In short:
Other teams raised the bar and Barca will need to look more at physique in the future (not only technique).
The same is about kilometers covered, workrate and defending.
Other teams have raised the bar.

We will need to evolve or stay in CL's quarters forever with defeats to Juve 0:3, Roma 0:3, Psg 0:4, Atletico 0:2 and similar and wondering why every away match in a CL looks and ends the same.
Hint: is not because of a lack of a CM "controller".

unless you want attackers to literally die out there on the field from exhaustion, an attackers defensive duties should (and always be) to press the backline. you can't expect players to play like kante on defense whilst still maintaining the same offensive output or you'll be subbing players out by half time

and as far as i remember since 2013/14 season the only winners of the ucl have been barca and real madrid. for all that "physique" that chelsea, psg and bayern possess, it's only gotten them knocked out the champions league just like barca, while real have won 3 ucls in a row with the likes of ronaldo, isco, kroos, benzema, marcelo, etc. being fielded for them

if your goal is for barca to get knocked out the ucl but hold their head up high because "they worked hard" then sure they should adapt the same principles as athletico, bayern, chelsea, psg, etc. since that has gotten those clubs so far in recent years

 

[BBZ8800]

What's wrong with that, even if its true. I would be more than happy if we sell him for 70M.

Teams like Roma don't fight for league and CL titles.
So, they can buy Kluivert, Coric and Malcom, play them, give them chances, pump their price and sell them for profit to a better club like Arsenal, Liverpool and Juventus.

At Barca, you can't have BOTH Messi, Suarez, 165m Coutinho and give chances to Kluiverts and Corics.

Porto, Roma, Ajax, Dortmund, Monaco, the point of those clubs is to scout all the time, buy 10 youngsters each season, re sell them after 2 seasons to some bigger club.
Those youngsters wouldn't have developed in a big team.
They can usually do it only in a small team first, except some rare examples.

There is usually a path for development like:
1. Brasil, Argentina, Croatia, Netherlands
2. then you sign for Roma, Porto, Dortmund, Monaco
3. then you move to a 2nd tier teams like Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham
4. then you move to Barca/Real

Orm you can jump from a point no2 to a point no4 right away.
On the other hand, if you jump RIGHT away from a point no1 (Brasil, Croatia, Netherlands, Sweden) to Barca/Real, it will rarely work.

In short, this is WHY it is logical for Roma/Dortmund to buy Dembeles and Malcoms and why those players will develop well there and get a lot of playing time.
If Dembelese, Malcoms, Saviolas, Quaresmas jump to Barca to soon, you get=well, Saviola, Quaresma, Dembele and similar.

Yes, there are some freaky rare examples of a player jumping from Brasil to Barca and making it like Jesus and Neymar, but probably in 90% of cases, those guys will fail and lose their development.
Roma/Monaco/Dortmund is a missing link.
Quite a big club, playing in a big league, playing in a CL, yet with low pressure and lots of chances for youngsters to be their key players and develop.

That shit is repeating since always.
And happened to us 10s of times.

This is not a hate, that is just reality: do you wanna bet how much will Malcom/Dembele develop by the summer of 2019 and whether Barca will be happy with their impact?

On the other hand, if they stayed and played at Dortmund, they would turn into different players...

unless you want attackers to literally die out there on the field from exhaustion, an attackers defensive duties should (and always be) to press the backline. you can't expect players to play like kante on defense whilst still maintaining the same offensive output or you'll be subbing players out by half time

and as far as i remember since 2013/14 season the only winners of the ucl have been barca and real madrid. for all that "physique" that chelsea, psg and bayern possess, it's only gotten them knocked out the champions league just like barca, while real have won 3 ucls in a row with the likes of ronaldo, isco, kroos, benzema, marcelo, etc. being fielded for them

if your goal is for barca to get knocked out the ucl but hold their head up high because "they worked hard" then sure they should adapt the same principles as athletico, bayern, chelsea, psg, etc. since that has gotten those clubs so far in recent years

Real is way more hardworking team than you think.
Way better than Barca in that aspect.

So, you actually proved my point, thanks.

Last 4 out 5 CLs for: hardworking teams with awesome technique.
France, world cup winner 2018.
Portugal, world cup winner 2016.
Germany, world cup winner 2014.

How many "walkers" these team had?

Please reply now: that is not OUR style, and I will kill myself, mate
Well, those are winning requirements for football in 2018'.

 

[Raketa10]

We had to buy a winger. We had only real one winger in Dembele. I don’t consider Coutinho to be one even though he plays well there. He is not a conventional winger with pace to stretch the play I mean. I’m just glad that we dodged a bullet in Willian.

I agree but it would be logical to have RW and LW and not 2 RW....

 

[Sorin]

Even the last 10 years. 95% of their signings have been 24 years or younger. Modric is a very rare exception at 26 years when signed.

Varane and Marcelo, 2 of the best players in the world at their position have been bought aged 18 and 19. Not every youngin will deliver, it's true, however buying these type of players will always be valuable as some of them will turn to be world class and you have them for 10 years minimum. It's always a risk but you can't buy only proven 27+ years old for a butload of cash as it's unsustainable. There will be busts and there will be successes.

 

[Sorin]

I agree but it would be logical to have RW and LW and not 2 RW....

You had no problem with Willian for 35-40milion. So which is it?

 

[George_Costanza]

This is what the board should have done instead of listening to that coward valverde about willian

This transfer also smells like abidal was strongly involved if so well down

Yes, we dodged a bullet buying 30yo Willian for 70-80m. I hope EV doesn't take this personally and bench Malcom all season.

 

[kilian]

[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION]

Enough is enough, man. You`re polluting this thread like crazy with your predictions.
How many lines do you have to write more. We understand your opinion, but let the kid show what he can do and let us be just a little bit excited by this signing.

 

[Raketa10]

You had no problem with Willian for 35-40milion. So which is it?

I had no problem with a proven player who can contribute immediately that's right, but if you are buying new talented RW for the next 7-8 years and already have one on that position it would be logical decision to go for LW. Wouldn't you agree???

 

[defyqa]

[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION], do you think our team's technique is still "10/10"?

 

[hardyboy]

Looks like poor men's Douglas Costa..

 

[Tekkers]

Teams like Roma don't fight for league and CL titles.
So, they can buy Kluivert, Coric and Malcom, play them, give them chances, pump their price and sell them for profit to a better club like Arsenal, Liverpool and Juventus.

At Barca, you can't have BOTH Messi, Suarez, 165m Coutinho and give chances to Kluiverts and Corics.

Porto, Roma, Ajax, Dortmund, Monaco, the point of those clubs is to scout all the time, buy 10 youngsters each season, re sell them after 2 seasons to some bigger club.
Those youngsters wouldn't have developed in a big team.
They can usually do it only in a small team first, except some rare examples.

There is usually a path for development like:
1. Brasil, Argentina, Croatia, Netherlands
2. then you sign for Roma, Porto, Dortmund, Monaco
3. then you move to a 2nd tier teams like Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham
4. then you move to Barca/Real

Orm you can jump from a point no2 to a point no4 right away.
On the other hand, if you jump RIGHT away from a point no1 (Brasil, Croatia, Netherlands, Sweden) to Barca/Real, it will rarely work.

In short, this is WHY it is logical for Roma/Dortmund to buy Dembeles and Malcoms and why those players will develop well there and get a lot of playing time.
If Dembelese, Malcoms, Saviolas, Quaresmas jump to Barca to soon, you get=well, Saviola, Quaresma, Dembele and similar.

Yes, there are some freaky rare examples of a player jumping from Brasil to Barca and making it like Jesus and Neymar, but probably in 90% of cases, those guys will fail and lose their development.
Roma/Monaco/Dortmund is a missing link.
Quite a big club, playing in a big league, playing in a CL, yet with low pressure and lots of chances for youngsters to be their key players and develop.

That shit is repeating since always.
And happened to us 10s of times.

This is not a hate, that is just reality: do you wanna bet how much will Malcom/Dembele develop by the summer of 2019 and whether Barca will be happy with their impact?

On the other hand, if they stayed and played at Dortmund, they would turn into different players...



Real is way more hardworking team than you think.
Way better than Barca in that aspect.

So, you actually proved my point, thanks.

Last 4 out 5 CLs for: hardworking teams with awesome technique.
France, world cup winner 2018.
Portugal, world cup winner 2016.
Germany, world cup winner 2014.

How many "walkers" these team had?

in the midfield and attack? real only have modric and casemiro, whilst barca have had rakitic and busquet. everyone else is a liability according to your definition.

germany's midfield is virtually the same as the last wc minus schweinsteiger and they lost in the group stages this year.

the france team of 2018 had the same amount of workers as the 2016 team (matuidi, sissoko, pogba) who lost in the finals of the euros

so no, your point wasn't proved.

and how did barca manage to win the 2014/15 ucl whilst fielding neymar-suarez-messi upfront, along with iniesta-busquets-rakitic?

shouldn't they have been overworked by psg who fielded rabiot-verrati/rabiot-cabaye?

shouldn't they have been overworked by bayern who fielded schweinsteiger, lahm, alonso, thiago and muller?

and what about juventus in the final who fielded pogba-vidal-marchisio? are they not harder workers than rakitic-busquets-iniesta?

or is 2014-15 season not the modern era anymore because it doesn't fit your agenda?

 

[Raketa10]

[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION]

Enough is enough, man. You`re polluting this thread like crazy with your predictions.
How many lines do you have to write more. We understand your opinion, but let the kid show what he can do and let us be just a little bit excited by this signing.

To be fair Kilian he is at least trying to support his claims with some facts and logic in comparison to others here.