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[Stoichkov1]

Are you trolling me?

Pep transformed Barca? Very charitable.

Bayern? Yeah, he transformed them alright; from treble winners to La Liga whipping boys in the CL.

Yes he did, we finished 20 points behind Real in the league the season before he joined Barca.

He transformed City and won the PL breaking numerous records.

Bayern struggled during his three years against Spanish teams but they kept struggling even with Ancelotti and Heynckes after he left.

 

[Stoichkov1]

Both Real and Atleti won one title since he took over . Real wasn't our competitor when they won it in 2014 and when we won it this season . Even under Lucho though we had a great record in league against simeone's Atm ,we had to grind it out (2-1, 2-1 in 2015 after going down in the initial minutes) . In the meanwhile we beat Real 4-0 , 3-0 , when we won the league .

Simeone under performed this season yes But i was talking about those managers who has done well over the past few years . Simeone's work at Atm over this time period is incredible and worth calling him the best as he was competing with Rm and Barca to win all the trophys he won , except the Europa were he steamrolled over Arsenal in the final . Defeated chelsea in Uefa cup back in 2012 fair and square , has beaten Bayern in their own backyard if my memory serves well ( Pep was knocked out by chauolo with much inferior squad compared to the one Bayern had )

Real was our competitor in 2015, 2016 and also 2014. We were behind them for the majority of the season before Madrid collapsed at the end of the season when we defeated them 3-4 and they lost to Sevilla 2-1 in the following match.

Simeone didn't win many trophies, a league title and an Europa league with a team that should play CL football. What he has done with Atletico doesn't outshine what Pep did with Barca and what he is currently doing with City.

 

[Andrew M]

Yes he did, we finished 20 points behind Real in the league the season before he joined Barca.

He transformed City and won the PL breaking numerous records.

Bayern struggled during his three years against Spanish teams but they kept struggling even with Ancelotti and Heynckes after he left.

It's obvious Pep did a fantastic job at Barca, but so did Zidane at Real but people go overboard in praising Pep as some kind of genius

 

[RMU ReBorn]

Yes he did, we finished 20 points behind Real in the league the season before he joined Barca.

He transformed City and won the PL breaking numerous records.

Bayern struggled during his three years against Spanish teams but they kept struggling even with Ancelotti and Heynckes after he left.

Pep transformed Barca and played a brand of football that made us one of the best . Doesn't mean that every manager should follow the same principles . We don't have the players at the disposal to go all out attack like the way we used to be . Just watch Messi's highlight reel vs Real in 2009-10 season . He was a Hungry beast trying to win every half chances from the opponents . Did lot of running and was very much mobile . These days putting him on wings or even playing him as false nine is suicidal without proper cover . I respect pep and his achievements for the club and has done incredible things for the club . But this constant Pep obsession and Ev bashing is getting over the top and lame

 

[Hamzah]

Pep did some innovative things which have changed football at many levels not just top level. Teams press better than before all over football for example. Build up techniques etc.

 

[Andrew M]

Real was our competitor in 2015, 2016 and also 2014. We were behind them for the majority of the season before Madrid collapsed at the end of the season when we defeated them 3-4 and they lost to Sevilla 2-1 in the following match.

Simeone didn't win many trophies, a league title and an Europa league with a team that should play CL football. What he has done with Atletico doesn't outshine what Pep did with Barca and what he is currently doing with City.

To say that what Simeone has done with Atleti doesn't outshine what Pep is doing with City is ridiculous.

 

[Barcaman]

Yes he did, we finished 20 points behind Real in the league the season before he joined Barca.

He transformed City and won the PL breaking numerous records.

Bayern struggled during his three years against Spanish teams but they kept struggling even with Ancelotti and Heynckes after he left.

We also won La Liga with record points after pep left. It's unfair to pick things like that.
Cycle was over under Rijkaard just like it was over with Pep.

Pep did nothing of note with City or Bayern though.

 

[Andrew M]

Pep did some innovative things which have changed football at many levels not just top level. Teams press better than before all over football for example. Build up techniques etc.

Yeah, Pep invented pressing. Pep also invented passing too, right

 

[Stoichkov1]

To say that what Simeone has done with Atleti doesn't outshine what Pep is doing with City is ridiculous.

I said that what Simeone has done with Atletico doesn't outshine what Pep did with Barca and Bayern and what he is doing with City.

 

[Stoichkov1]

We also won La Liga with record points after pep left. It's unfair to pick things like that.
Cycle was over under Rijkaard just like it was over with Pep.

Pep did nothing of note with City or Bayern though.

Pep won the PL with record points with City.

 

[RMU ReBorn]

Real was our competitor in 2015, 2016 and also 2014. We were behind them for the majority of the season before Madrid collapsed at the end of the season when we defeated them 3-4 and they lost to Sevilla 2-1 in the following match.

Simeone didn't win many trophies, a league title and an Europa league with a team that should play CL football. What he has done with Atletico doesn't outshine what Pep did with Barca and what he is currently doing with City.

what he did with Atletico definitely stands above Pep's achievements with City . Bundesliga shouldn't even be considered . Simeone didn't won many trophys ? He won a CDR final after going down 0-1 in Santiago Bernabue against Mourinho. I repeat Mourinho . He defeated Ancelotti's Real in Super copa , and defeated them 4-0 in La liga next season . Didn't gave a sniff to Ancelotti'a Real in La liga when he was at the helm .

One La liga
Super copa
Copa Del rey
Two europa titles
One uefa super cup
Reached Two Cl finals defeating Messi's Barca ,only to lose against Real were they has been super sayans in Europe for the past 5 years.


with a squad at his disposal what he did with ATM is something worth calling 'incredible' compared to Pep shitting on tactically naive EPL teams with oil money

 

[Hamzah]

Yeah, Pep invented pressing. Pep also invented passing too, right

He added new ideas to these areas. Like a philosopher that built on the work of previous philosophers.

 

[Stoichkov1]

what he did with Atletico definitely stands above Pep's achievements with City . Bundesliga shouldn't even be considered . Simeone didn't won many trophys ? He won a CDR final after going down 0-1 in Santiago Bernabue against Mourinho. I repeat Mourinho . He defeated Ancelotti's Real in Super copa , and defeated them 4-0 in La liga next season . Didn't gave a sniff to Ancelotti'a Real in La liga when he was at the helm .

One La liga
Super copa
Copa Del rey
Two europa titles
One uefa super cup

with a squad at his disposal is something worth calling incredible compared to Pep shutting on tactically naive EPL teams with oil money

I clearly stated that what he did with Atletico doesn't stand above Pep's achievements with Barca and City.

Simeone had a relatively poor squad in his first years but now Atletico has world class players in almost every position.

 

[Andrew M]

I said that what Simeone has done with Atletico doesn't outshine what Pep did with Barca and Bayern and what he is doing with City.

What has Pep done with Bayern and City that was is so amazing? I'm not impressed at all by teams dominating their leagues with the biggest budgets

 

[Stoichkov1]

What has Pep done with Bayern and City that was is so amazing? I'm not impressed at all by teams dominating their leagues with the biggest budgets

City had the biggest budget with Pellegrini and never had a league campaign as impressive as Pep had last season.