Malcom

[Andrew M]

He added new ideas to these areas. Like a philosopher that built on the work of previous philosophers.

Oh here we go. Yes, Pep is the Plato of football of course. So why doesn't he take his amazing theories and schemes and apply them to Las Palmas and turn them into worldbeaters?

 

[RMU ReBorn]

I clearly stated that what he did with Atletico doesn't stand above Pep's achievements with Barca and City.

Simeone had a relatively poor squad in his first years but now Atletico has world class players in almost every position.

You are contradicting yourself mate . You are saying that Simeone has a world class squad now . Who transformed Atm ? They didn't had a single 100 M signing if i remember . Not even 80-90 . Godin and Giminez became world class under him only. Developed Savic, Saul and even made use of players like correa who wouldn't break in to Barca or Real's first eleven . Costa became a beast playing under him in early part of his stint . Was Griezmann a star player when he was signed from Sociedad ? .Koke , Pelipe Luis , Vrsaljko, Courtois , Oblack you name it . I can mention bunch of players who were nobody in world football before simeone took over the charge in ATM . That's 10 times an incredible achievement compared to Pep's project in city with shitload of oilmoney under his disposal

 

[jamrock]

What has Pep done with Bayern and City that was is so amazing? I'm not impressed at all by teams dominating their leagues with the biggest budgets

not very impressed with any barca have done over the past decade or so then or is the extra few million madrid makes over us all the difference in the world

what about SAF & Man utd?

not impressed by them either

 

[Hamzah]

Oh here we go. Yes, Pep is the Plato of football of course. So why doesn't he take his amazing theories and schemes and apply them to Las Palmas and turn them into worldbeaters?

I think he’s an overrated coach and simeone achievements are more impressive, but I will give credit where it’s due for some ideas he introduced.

 

[Stoichkov1]

You are contradicting yourself mate . You are saying that Simeone has a world class squad now . Who transformed Atm ? They didn't had a single 100 M signing if i remember . Not even 80-90 . Godin and Giminez became world class under him only. Developed Savic, Saul and even made use of players like correa who wouldn't break in to Barca or Real's first eleven . Costa became a beast playing under him in early part of his stint . Was Griezmann a star player when he was signed from Sociedad ? . Pelipe Luis , Vrsaljko you name it . I can mention bunch of players who were nobody in world football before simeone took over the charge in ATM . That's is 10 times an incredible achievement compared to Pep's project in city with shitload of oilmoney

Well I could use the same argument for Pep.

No one considered Xavi and Iniesta the best midfielders in the world before Pep arrived, just like Messi wasn't the undisputed best player in the world under Rijkaard and started scoring crazy numbers only after Pep arrived.

Players like De Bruyne for example never have been as good as they have been under Pep.

Both are good at developing players.

 

[DonAndres]

Are you trolling me?

Pep transformed Barca? Very charitable.

Bayern? Yeah, he transformed them alright; from treble winners to La Liga whipping boys in the CL.

Come on man you're either being disingenuous or just refusing to see the facts.

Pep absolutely transformed Barca given where we were literally a season before. From the bold decisions to move on from Ronaldinho and Deco to completely reconstructing our footballing style and system, there's pretty much no way you could say otherwise. No team has ever played football to the level of Pep's Barca, period. And to rob him of the credit for that is just ridiculous.

As for City, he hasn't stepped up in the CL yet but he did manage to have the best EPL season of all time in team performance. That's far from "nothing". I reckon you were one of those praising Barca for winning the double and walking to Liga and CDR titles year after year, so how is setting the EPL record for total points not a good achievement?

With Bayern, they've had an aged squad that they were reluctant to move on from for years. If you compare what Pep did to his successor in Ancelotti (the most decorated coach in CL history) then you could even argue he overachieved given how much of the squad has been overrated and past it for years now.

Though can't expect much from those who think Willian and Ribery are world beating CL wingers now eh?

 

[Givenchy]

Barca Pep>Atleti Simeone=Man city Pep>>>>>Bayern Pep

 

[Donatello]

Cristiano Ronaldo, bought with 24: already Baloon D Or winner aged 23.
So, they bought the best player in the world to their club.
Bale, age 24, world record fee. So, they bought one of the best players in the world, in his prime, aged 24, NOT 20 like Dembele.
Modric, aged 27
Kroos, 24, in his prime
Casemiro, aged 23

So, true, RM isn't buying oldies, but from their starters, all of them were world class players, NT players and from top clubs.
Bale 24, NT Player, the best player at Tottenham.
CR7, the best player in the world, from Man Utd, NT player
Benzema, won 4 league titles with Lyon, NT player from the age 19.

On the other hand, Barca:
Denis, never an NT player. Never played in a TOP European club, at least as a starter or a key player.
Paco, not from a big club.
Semedo, wtf?
Gomes...
Malcom, not an NT player.
Arthur, not an NT player.

This sounds like a hate post, but I am just showing how: when RM used to buy youngsters, they were buying the best players in the world, on their prime: CR7 24, Kroos 24, Modric 27, Bale 24.
There is a difference between Bale/CR7 aged 24 and Dembele aged 20, Malcom aged 21.

Do you know what is the difference?
These guys developed in weaker teams and came to a RM on their prime, when they were developed as players and as persons.
Cr7, Kroos, Bale were not kids when they came here.
Which you can't say for Dembele.

So, RM's players developed in other teams, and RM bought them on their prime.
I am talking about their CORE/KEY players in attack and midfield.

In defense they did survive with youngsters, though.

On the other hand, Barca is buying kids who haven't developed yet (like RM's Kroos/CR7/Bale/Benzema) and Barca is hoping that they will develop here.
But again, these guys need to develop as players and as persons.

In short: you can't compare CR7 aged 24, Bale aged 24, Kroos aged 24 with Dembele 20 and Malcom 21.
Dembele/Malcom will probably miss that one key step in their career from the age 20-23/24 where they should play a lot and develop slowly under LESS pressure.

Some guys can make that step even at Barca, but for majority of players, that step is too huge and it came to early in their player's/person's development.

But let's wait and see how will (too young) Dembele and Malcom develop in the biggest club in the world, since we want results right here, right now.

** Mbappe is a rare example of a player with awesome skills, maturity and mental strength.
Other guys of that age are usually kids, and not like him.

What about the 90M they spent on Vinicius and Rodrygo??

And add to that, Ceballos, Kovacic, Theo Hernandez, Odrizola (50-50 to succeed).

They also had a fair share of failures alongside their successes. They too buy undeveloped players, you have to take that risk.

RM aren't geniuses, if you keep buying lottery tickets you're gonna win it sooner or later.

 

[Joan]

As an online discussion grows longer the probability of a comparison involving Pep approaches 1, Godwin's law on Barcaforum.

You should move to an appropriate thread and let us all #enjoyMalcom.

 

[TitoTata]

Oh here we go. Yes, Pep is the Plato of football of course. So why doesn't he take his amazing theories and schemes and apply them to Las Palmas and turn them into worldbeaters?

Maybe he will one day ...

 

[Joan]

Barca Pep>Atleti Simeone=Man city Pep>>>>>Bayern Pep

Hell no. Pep's got a lot of job to do with City to reach Simeone's Atleti successes.

 

[RMU ReBorn]

Well I could use the same argument for Pep.

No one considered Xavi and Iniesta the best midfielders in the world before Pep arrived, just like Messi wasn't the undisputed best player in the world under Rijkaard and started scoring crazy numbers only after Pep arrived.

Players like De Bruyne for example never have been as good as they have been under Pep.

Both are good at developing players.

Ha ha Bollocks . Xavi was voted as the best player in Euro 2008 and Iniesta was his partner in crime . Messi had a El classico hat trick under his belt when he was 19 and english media was drooling over this kid running riots against Mourinho's greatest Chelsea side in Cl . I still remember Cadiz fans giving a ovation to Messi when he was 17-18 . And you are comparing them to Koke , Gabi , Costa , Correa . Mate ,high level of delusion. Pep is good at developing talents , i agree and backed KDB . Having said that KDB was one of the best player in Bundes liga when he was bought . Though i give it to him for transforming him and milking out the maximum out of players like sterling . But simeone is the master of that . Look at the way he offloaded Turan , when he knew that Turan was becoming a dead weight .

 

[Pepe Silvia]

Let's just hope the fans tone down the expectations a bit, To allow malcom to develop without absurd amount of pressure.

Yeah, that'll happen...

 

[Stoichkov1]

Ha ha Bollocks . Xavi was voted as the best player in Euro 2008 and Iniesta was his partner in crime . Messi had a El classico hat trick under his belt when he was 19 and english media was drooling over this kid running riots against Mourinho's greatest Chelsea side in Cl . I still remember Cadiz fans giving a ovation to Messi when he was 17-18 . And you are comparing them to Koke , Gabi , Costa , Correa . Mate ,high level of delusion. Pep is good at developing talents , i agree and backed KDB . Having said that KDB was one of the best player in Bundes liga when he was bought . Though i give it to him for transforming him and milking out the maximum out of players like sterling . But simeone is the master of that . Look at the way he offloaded Turan , when he knew that Turan was becoming a dead weight .

Xavi being votes at the best player in Euro 2008 doesn't mean he was considered the best midfielder in the world, like Iniesta. Actually Xavi said he wanted to leave Barca because Rijkaard and the media wanted a more physical midfield.

Messi wasn't considered the best player in the world before Pep arrived and never scored 40 goals like he did in 2009.

Simeone didn't want to sell Turan, Turan asked to leave Atletico because he said he was too lazy to run like an Atletico player does.

 

[Givenchy]

Hell no. Pep's got a lot of job to do with City to reach Simeone's Atleti successes.

fair enough but what would Pep need to do in your eyes to equal Simeone? maybe a CL final or actually win it?

anyways i guess we shouldn't go offtopic anymore