Malcom

[khaled_a_d]

442 didnt look any better as well. There were constant lack of energy and pace that costs us games too. Defence has always looked very shaky in big games. Our attack was also toothless with 442. No movements to break opponents. Couldnt counter attack as well. The main issue is the crux of our system is weak, and we dont know how to approach games.

433 wasnt to accomodate Dembele, but to explore more of our attacking side and it just wasnt executed well enough.

I have to disagree with that, 442 was boring and there is no denying for that but it was balanced and our defense in general looked much better, Busquets and Rakitic played more to their strength and right side looked much better than now.

there is no line up with this squad that won't lack energy and pace, this team has 5 starters who are past their prime at least physically, that is half of our squad. And even Dembele isn't known for his effort since his days in France and Germany

It was more of a paragmatic line up, it won't excite you and won't compete for CL but domestically it can get the job done with our huge holes,aging squad and lack of players with effort.

This year I would say that 433 is actually to accomodate Dembele without leaving Suarez on the bench (so you can also say it is to accomodate Suarez in the line up, but he has been starting for 4 years) and we had 2 options, but Dembele on right side and Coutinho on left and play 442 which would make it more of 424 rather than 442 (I actually thought EV would stick to it) or play 433 with Messi false RW that really doesn't play on right side like we did under Lucho.
But again Dembele looked better in left side this year early on and we tried 442

 

[DonAK]

@DonAK
With Denis you could for instance argue that he understands the ins and outs of Barcelona as an institution. All Malcom has known so far was Bordeaux on some hopelessly low wage. You don't just automatically elevate the guy by a couple of tens of thousands and give him a bench with a task of saving the style of Barca in one of the biggest clubs in the world because he's had a few good months of football.

I for one simply argue I don't know what kind of guy Malcom is behind the scenes and know just as little about him as a football player. He can either be the nicest guy that's treated like shit for no reason or he can be your usual run-of-the-mill Brazillian who crashes and burns in 3-4 years after he joined a top tier club. No Cule can claim to know much more, because he has only surfaced in 2018. Hence I believe Valverde is the better judge of the situation than some arrogant outraged numbskulls from an online forum.

It's not just about Malcom, but it's happened to other players too. Names already mentioned here. You could argue that the only reason Dembele is starting right now is because we couldn't get a deal for Willian done.

I don't get those kind of excuses or arguments made. They could be true in some cases, but not always, and I am also not willing to give a manager the benefit of doubt unless he's proven himself to be capable of making those kind of decisions. Denis might know the system, but his knowledge of the system has made him perform worse than most players the last couple of years. This system is not complicated either like you could argue it was under Pep with how he wanted his wingers and FBs to play with a multitude of tactical schemes.

When certain managers don't like, trust or have the vision to try out certain players the most common excuses made are the system and that the manager knows the best.

That's what Mourinho did with Salah and De Bruyne and Lukaku back when they played for Chelsea. I always choose these three players because they're the most high profile players and a recent case of how a manager's unwillingness to give young players time and trust backfired.

And again, it all comes back to continuity. Malcom had a cameo before he got injured where he showed a lot of promising signs. Good runs behind the defence, showed himself to be a potential dangerous player on the pitch. Now he's back from injury and was counted on to change the game once and now he's left out twice for Denis or Rafinha.

How does that help or make any sense?

When Dembele was starting to show some promising signs last season he was rewarded by sitting on the bench and having to see Gomes come on before him in a game we needed to score and create something forward.

 

[henias]

I have to disagree with that, 442 was boring and there is no denying for that but it was balanced and our defense in general looked much better, Busquets and Rakitic played more to their strength and right side looked much better than now.

there is no line up with this squad that won't lack energy and pace, this team has 5 starters who are past their prime at least physically, that is half of our squad. And even Dembele isn't known for his effort since his days in France and Germany

It was more of a paragmatic line up, it won't excite you and won't compete for CL but domestically it can get the job done with our huge holes,aging squad and lack of players with effort.

This year I would say that 433 is actually to accomodate Dembele without leaving Suarez on the bench (so you can also say it is to accomodate Suarez in the line up, but he has been starting for 4 years) and we had 2 options, but Dembele on right side and Coutinho on left and play 442 which would make it more of 424 rather than 442 (I actually thought EV would stick to it) or play 433 with Messi false RW that really doesn't play on right side like we did under Lucho.
But again Dembele looked better in left side this year early on and we tried 442

If u play a lopsided 433 as compared to a 442, obviously the latter will look better. Like I said, this 433 wasnt executed well enough and that doesnt mean 433 doesnt work. It still depends on how the team needs to attack and cover the right areas, which is an utter mess this season.

442 by all means is still very limited and would incur a loss in big games and will depend alot on Messi to pull a miracle. If Messi doesnt play to his best, then we are out of ideas.

 

[gasgas]

grabs a popcorn

 

[messi2140]

Irrespective of weather i’m ultimately wrong or right about the reasons for malcom’s constant exclusions, I at least attempted to make rationales based on our current system and tactics, Squad available, And the problems the team is facing as of late, And made efforts to tie my reasonings to the real world, Not on my subjective feelings, But the main point of my post, Is that there is no pendulum, As there was no one on the other side, Providing tactical and systemic reasons on why malcom should be included and how he can improve us.

Let’s take a look at your post for example, It’s trash, In every definition of what a trash post is, It’s a merely three lines, Where all you accomplished in it is:

1- Tried to find a reason to use the word sh**
2- Called me and others cuc**

Your post is a gold example of the type of the extremely low quality replies that is prevelant on this forums, And one of the reasons I don’t post here more often, Absolutely embarrassing.

I just read your "at least attempted to make rationales based on our current system and tactics, Squad available, And the problems the team is facing as of late, And made efforts to tie my reasonings to the real world". All I see is mental gymnastics and not reasoning to tie your efforts to the real world. Tell me how can you can go from being on the bench against Leganes , getting subbed and playing good and then to get rewarded by getting left out of the squad the next game (Which happened to other players in the last season aswell) . If you read my last post Im just wondering why he isnt on the bench , not why is he isn't part of the starting 11.


To end this silly argument , My 'gold example of the type of the extremely low quality replies that is prevelant on this forums' may be hitting closer to home than that wall of mental gymnastics you and your fellow cuck have been posting.

Btw love the classic transition from dishing out insults and going with the holier than thou attitude to pulling out the classic " don’t post here more often" Victim card. Wonder where I have seen that before

 

[tacticvarium]

Why so many people whining about Malcom not getting called up for the match against the top class European team.
Did he suddenly become a world class player?
How many matches did he play for the first team so far?
The guy just came back from his injury and is still adapting to the team and the city.

 

[El Gato]

It's not just about Malcom, but it's happened to other players too. Names already mentioned here. You could argue that the only reason Dembele is starting right now is because we couldn't get a deal for Willian done.

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I don't get those kind of excuses or arguments made. They could be true in some cases, but not always, and I am also not willing to give a manager the benefit of doubt unless he's proven himself to be capable of making those kind of decisions. Denis might know the system, but his knowledge of the system has made him perform worse than most players the last couple of years. This system is not complicated either like you could argue it was under Pep with how he wanted his wingers and FBs to play with a multitude of tactical schemes.

(...) That's what Mourinho did with Salah and De Bruyne and Lukaku back when they played for Chelsea. I always choose these three players because they're the most high profile players and a recent case of how a manager's unwillingness to give young players time and trust backfired.

Backfired or helped them develop when they were refused at that point in their careers by building their drive and desire to prove the dumb manager wrong. Shaw is arguably doing exactly that in United right now under Mourinho after being relentlessly questioned. In fact conservative managers employ this very frequently. Or managers across disciplines for that matter. I know for a fact some teachers in schools are terribly blunt and mean with their assessments of a person's ability to push the boundaries of youngsters. Ever seen the movie 'Whiplash', the drummer and his violent teacher? Portrays some of those exact scenarios.

It's not an excuse, merely a possible explanation for something people don't see any reason for. It's really not difficult to draw these things up. Managers, no matter how inexperienced at a certain level overall, can feel compelled to follow the same instincts and gamble a bit on what they think talent needs. They don't always get it right, but with special, unagreeable talent who know they're skilled, more often than not they'll try to pipe them down big time. I cannot think of an example from Bilbao where Valverde would have employed this strategy of integration of players, but pretty sure outsiders don't (or didn't) promptly make it into Bilbao 11 under Valverde unless they're experienced at the same or higher level in the league. Dembele jumping from Borussia to being a Barca starter is a big step for a 20-year old. Semedo proved multiple times he is too confused to play in a deeply structured system (which I think is a bit of a common theme with fullbacks from Portuguese league TBH).
While I understand the continuity argument as well as the lack of trust that a mid-to-upper tier manager knows what he is doing.. I see more value in newbies getting benched for a year and taking it very slow.

Again, one of the biggest and most common trends we see Latinos and Latino-Americans going a bit nuts after they get to a certain level and think they've peaked and done it all. It's almost surely cultural and exceptions to that are very rare. This translates to French and French-African players as well to a degree. Do you really feel like you are the best judges of how to manage guys with similar background?

 

[Cule4life]

I at least attempted to make rationales based on our current system and tactics, Squad available, And the problems the team is facing as of late

Yet you conveniently left out the one rationale which makes the most sense and has plenty of evidence but doesn't suit your agenda-- that Valverde doesn't know how to develop young players

1- Tried to find a reason to use the word sh**
2- Called me and others cuc**

Coming from the guy who posts language like this.

:Valverde gives 45 minute taste of some cules ‘rotation’ obsession, And like your typical weasels , they turn 180 degrees on what they been barking and demanding about for past 2 weeks when it doesn’t work out as they expected.

Pot something something kettle.....

Your post is a gold example of the type of the extremely low quality replies that is prevelant on this forums, And one of the reasons I don’t post here more often, Absolutely embarrassing.

And your posts just ooze quality don't they

And one of the reasons I don’t post here more often, Absolutely embarrassing.

You should take your own advice mate.

 

[ini4ever]

Should have stopped reading here.

Lol, Willian or Malcom is a no brainer, except in terms of overpaying Willian.
A proven top class player, several years playing for Chelsea, one of the best Brasilians at a World cup vs Malcom about whom we know nothing and who could easily end a total fail, except a good old: he is young and has potential

Typical BBZ, prefer old and experienced players all over the place yet when opponent outpacing the team, write long texts of how majority of players are slow and unmotivated.

 

[DonAK]

I remember the same arguments being made when Lucho was obsessed with Andre Gomes.

"The manager knows the best". "The manager watches these players in training all the time".

Managers are not infallible. Especially a manager like Ernesto Valverde who has achieved less in his long career than someone like Unai Emery who is managing Arsenal right now.

Valverde has never had players of this stature. Never had to deal with young talents who were this highly rated or had to deal with a big squad with multiple good players that want playing time. Nor has he ever needed to construct a tactical scheme that works against the elite in Europe, or had to satisfy the fans' demands of entertaining football.

Not as a manager or as a player. Pep and Lucho didn't do that either when they became Barcelona managers, but they were World Class players in their prime that played at a high level accustomed to the demands of this club. They also played under various high profile managers. And very important: They both have the personalities of a serial winner.

This I feel is the biggest roadblock for putting Valverde to such a high pedestal where we fans are ought to trust him and his decision making blindly.

 

[Raketa10]

I wonder what has he done to Valverde to be placed behind Munir and Denis in pecking order. Disgusting!

 

[El Gato]

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This I feel is the biggest roadblock for putting Valverde to such a high pedestal where we fans are ought to trust him and his decision making blindly.

I personally never said this and it seems like it's the only takeaway many here get from the opposing viewpoints - I, and I assume many others but can speak for myself only, don't think Valverde is always right. In fact I said multiple times he's Barcelona's Schuster, but not impossible for him to surpass that level. For a guy like him or Mou cases are more nuanced and interesting than they seem. By all means, criticise, it's what will make him change the wrong things (i.e. Gomes). But perhaps would be useful to not devolve it into some simple representation... I for one would advise the fans here stay humble and don't think they know better than the qualified managers do. Almost never proves to be right.

 

[clemente]

Lmao some comments here.
We buy a young winger with world class potential, was amazing in pre-season, can easily bench Suarez if we rearrange our front line, we paid 41m for him, and they come here with "why are people surprised?". Fuck off.

 

[DonAK]

I personally never said this and it seems like it's the only takeaway many here get from the opposing viewpoints - I, and I assume many others but can speak for myself only, don't think Valverde is always right. In fact I said multiple times he's Barcelona's Schuster, but not impossible for him to surpass that level. For a guy like him or Mou cases are more nuanced and interesting than they seem. By all means, criticise, it's what will make him change the wrong things (i.e. Gomes). But perhaps would be useful to not devolve it into some simple representation... I for one would advise the fans here stay humble and don't think they know better than the qualified managers do. Almost never proves to be right.

No one here is claiming they can go and manage Barcelona better than Valverde. At least not while being serious.

But are we not even allowed to voice our opinions, concerns now? Are we not able to criticize his man management, inexplicable decisions which is something no manager before have done, at least in the last decade at Barcelona. People want us to believe everything is perfect and that his style of managing is based on a set precedent when it's proved all the time it is not.

Are we ought to believe that now all of a sudden, his system is so complicated he will have to drive our players to the ground before starting to use other players? Are we ought to believe having players that have showed signs of having more impact than other players are not even worth having on the bench or even in the traveling squad, or heck even in the squad at home?

You're asking or telling me/us to stay quiet and be humble. Because of what lol? The potential of us doing worse? Well I suppose with this board everything is possible, but Valverde is not going to survive here for the long haul anyway as he's going to end up destroying his little castle made of dogshit in the end anyway.

Yes, it's not black and white. It's more complicated than that, it always is, but I am not going to give Valverde the benefit of doubt because he's nothing more than Barca's Schuster as you said yourself. Heck he might not even be that.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Of course Wolfe would defend every idiotic decision made by this retarded manager of ours. The messier we become the happier he is.

Deep down, he is laughing at our expense.