Marc Bartra

Stric

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If anyone's to blame for this, it's the manager. The players and their representatives are only looking out for their own interest, obviously, and the club has to agree to something if they want to sign a contract. It's actually not a bad deal for the club, either. All you have to do is give the player a minimum amount of time on the pitch. I doubt either side actually expects the clause to be activated at any point, but apparently you can't put anything past our recent managers.
 

God Serena

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It's the same situation as Thiago. I would place the blame 100% on the coach instead of the board. There were plenty of opportunities to play Bartra. Vermaelen was whiffing on the ball under no pressure while Bartra watched from the stands. We won games 3, 4, 5, to nothing with Bartra sitting on the bench.
 

Barcilliant

Senior Member
Lucho didn't trust Batra. No way he's going to take a chance on a player he doesn't trust.
Lucho isn't going to risk losing just because of some contract clause looooool.

Yes, I'd rather we get 20 million for Batra but no club is going to pay 40 million for him.
 

Messi983

Senior Member
It's the same situation as Thiago. I would place the blame 100% on the coach instead of the board. There were plenty of opportunities to play Bartra. Vermaelen was whiffing on the ball under no pressure while Bartra watched from the stands. We won games 3, 4, 5, to nothing with Bartra sitting on the bench.

Not exactly true. I love Bartra and have always supported him and I was against Vermaelen's transfer as I'm against any player coming from Arsenal but that theory is just not true if you look at the numbers.

There were 16 league games that we have won with 3+ goals. Bartra started 3 of those games and was subbed on in 6 other, when the game was already won. He wasn't even on the bench in 7 other games when those high wins happens so Lucho couldn't sub him on.

As for Vermaelen, he started 6 games, 2 of those in first two rounds when he was in really good form before the injury. He was subbed off in two of them, one in that Atletico game when he got injured after half an hour and then second in Malaga after very bad first half. He had 4 substitute appearances.

So if anything, Bartra was used always when possible if we were in that good position you mentioned. Lucho clearly didn't trust him enough to get him on the bench in what he expected to be closer games even if some of them later turned out into big wins for us, like away El Clasico or home games against Celta or Espanyol so of course he couldn't bring him on when we had those good results guaranteed. But it's clear that Mathieu was our 3rd CB and after January when Arda and Vidal become eligible to play Lucho prefered to have another midfielder on the bench over having 2 CBs which I think it's understandable.

Should or could Bartra play more? Yes, but he didn't do much to really convince Lucho to give him more chances as he also didn't with 3 coaches before him if we are fair. And was it really Vermaelen's fault he didn't do that? Absolutely no. Except for the start of the season when Vermaelen played really good and deserved to be ahead of Bartra, their opportunities were pretty close. And none of them was good and consistent enough to endanger Mathieu's position as 3rd CB not to even talk about starting ahead of Pique or Masche.

As I said before, I was always big Bartra supporter but it's time to admit he's just not good enough to be anymore than our 4th/5th CB. If he's willing to accept that role I'm ok with renewing his contract and staying here but I think he's more ambitious and will try to prove his quality in another club. He's a great person and great cule and I wish him nothing but the best but he just didn't develop as a player as we all hoped he would over the last seasons. And that's not Vermaelen's or Lucho's fault. If anything, we should give some blame to coaches before Lucho for not giving him more opportunities when he was still developing and at the same time when Pique was going through his bad patch of form when he started with Skahira and wasn't fully concentrated on football.

Now, at 25 Bartra is what he is, there is not much more room for improvements. He can get better with regular playing time and increased confidence but I doubt he'll ever be Barca's starting quality. Also because I don't think he can coexist very good in pair with Pique and there is no way he can replace him in Pique's current form.
 

Alarcón

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It's the same situation as Thiago. I would place the blame 100% on the coach instead of the board. There were plenty of opportunities to play Bartra. Vermaelen was whiffing on the ball under no pressure while Bartra watched from the stands. We won games 3, 4, 5, to nothing with Bartra sitting on the bench.

What blame? If he wants to leave, he should leave. No comparison with Thiago at all who was a much better player and whom Barça would have never sold if not for the buyout.
 

Neeraj

Senior Member
Don't think this will even make a difference though, as we were never going to get much for him. I would be very surprised if someone paid even 10m for him, especially considering how we are one of the worst in the transfer market, with all our players going undervalued and us buying crap at ridiculous prices...
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
If anyone's to blame for this, it's the manager. The players and their representatives are only looking out for their own interest, obviously, and the club has to agree to something if they want to sign a contract. It's actually not a bad deal for the club, either. All you have to do is give the player a minimum amount of time on the pitch. I doubt either side actually expects the clause to be activated at any point, but apparently you can't put anything past our recent managers.

I can't get blaming the managers,coaches job is to be fair with all player and give them minutes based on merit not on their contracts.
No manager will accept being told to play player A or B because of his contract.next thing we will have 25 players with those clauses.
It is on the board,we renewed Bartra after he was actually able to sign for any other clubs and it allowed his agent to put pressure to get those clauses.same for Alves whom we renewed after his contract was over.Thiago is also more on the board b/c you don't renew 20 years old player who is just getting promoted and give such clause.
 

God Serena

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What blame? If he wants to leave, he should leave. No comparison with Thiago at all who was a much better player and whom Barça would have never sold if not for the buyout.

Do you even know what the situation with Thiago was at all? If you did you wouldn't say there's no comparison "At all." Come on now. Their clauses both dropped due to lack of playing time. That at the very least is a good comparison.

His buyout clause dropped due to lack of playing time. He was a player we should have never sold and deserved much more playing time than he got, especially when we were 15 points ahead of Madrid by November, but he still rode the bench week in and week out, even after we had the league officially secured, in chase of a 100 goal point tally that not a single person talked about by the time the next season started.

People called Thiago all kind of names and bashed Pep for "Stealing our players" and even lashed out at the board for putting such a stupid clause in Thiago's contract, but why the fuck would you blame Thiago, Pep, or the board when all Tito/Roura had to do was give him playing time?

If you really don't see how this also applies to Bartra you should probably not bother replying.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Do you even know what the situation with Thiago was at all? If you did you wouldn't say there's no comparison "At all." Come on now. Their clauses both dropped due to lack of playing time. That at the very least is a good comparison.

His buyout clause dropped due to lack of playing time. He was a player we should have never sold and deserved much more playing time than he got, especially when we were 15 points ahead of Madrid by November, but he still rode the bench week in and week out, even after we had the league officially secured, in chase of a 100 goal point tally that not a single person talked about by the time the next season started.

People called Thiago all kind of names and bashed Pep for "Stealing our players" and even lashed out at the board for putting such a stupid clause in Thiago's contract, but why the fuck would you blame Thiago, Pep, or the board when all Tito/Roura had to do was give him playing time?

If you really don't see how this also applies to Bartra you should probably not bother replying.

Nah Thiago got a lot of time for someone that was the fourth best CM that season and he replaced Xavi in a string of games when injured.

Bartra has not really deserved any more minutes than he got this season just as Thiago didnt that season.
 

God Serena

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Nah Thiago got a lot of time for someone that was the fourth best CM that season and he replaced Xavi in a string of games when injured.

Bartra has not really deserved any more minutes than he got this season just as Thiago didnt that season.

It's not about what is deserved. With Bartra that argument is something I can't argue but with Thiago it would have been worth it to give him minutes whether he deserved them or not even if we just wanted to sell him for something more than a large bag of peanuts. As I said before, we had a double digit point advantage over Madrid for the majority of the season that year. I think our first loss that season was the annual Anoeta meltdown, wasn't it? There was little doubt we would have won the league. And even after we had it won, Thiago still rode the bench while the likes of Montoya got minutes :)lol:).
 
It's the same situation as Thiago. I would place the blame 100% on the coach instead of the board. There were plenty of opportunities to play Bartra. Vermaelen was whiffing on the ball under no pressure while Bartra watched from the stands. We won games 3, 4, 5, to nothing with Bartra sitting on the bench.

In Thiago's case the last 4 games of the league were literally pointless. Thiago should have played those no questions asked. Also, Thiago was a way better player than Bartra.
 
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