Marc Bartra

JamDav1982

Senior Member
By the way, with Abidal Barcelona used o play with 3 CBs at the back. He rarely went forward and Bartra's role should be similar. He doesn't have to go forward (this is the key point, in fact he shouldn't). Bartra would be playing the same role he's playing now as a CB instead of having a RB who leaves a lot of spaces behind [Alves] on his right and no one behind him, Bartra will have a CB behind him to support [Pique]...

Bartra Pique Puyol
Busquets
Xavi Iniesta Adriano
Messi Alexis Neymar

The difference is that Abidal was world class at both CB and full back and that is why he could play like that. Bartra has not proved anything to be able to play that role.

The three at the back idea failed under Pep so not sure why you want to switch back and the starting line up you mentioned is a bit of a joke.
 

KhaledBarca

New member
The difference is that Abidal was world class at both CB and full back and that is why he could play like that. Bartra has not proved anything to be able to play that role.

The three at the back idea failed under Pep so not sure why you want to switch back and the starting line up you mentioned is a bit of a joke.
Our main problem is finding a replacement for Abidal. Bartra has the skills to play this role [the best in our squad for this role].
You have to give him the chance to prove himself.
 

KhaledBarca

New member
The difference is that Abidal was world class at both CB and full back and that is why he could play like that. Bartra has not proved anything to be able to play that role.

The three at the back idea failed under Pep so not sure why you want to switch back and the starting line up you mentioned is a bit of a joke.
No it didn't fail, we had problems when Abidal and Puyol got injured. When we had to play Busquets+Masche as center backs. It worked great when Abidal and Puyol were fit. 3 at the back with Busquets supporting won us clasicos at the bernabeu!
 

oz187

New member
We threw Bartra into the first team against Bayern and lost 4-0. Throwing into the deep end again against RM at rightback is asking for trouble. If you want to play him at right back you play him there against weaker teams so he can build experience and if he does well you can then play him there in the tougher games.

But isn't necessary anyway. Alves is fine at rightback. Personnel is not the issue. Whether the team can perform against RM better than last season is primarily going to come down to the new tactics used by Tata.
 

KhaledBarca

New member
Playing with 2 short attacking minded fullbacks is the real problem against RM/Bayern!
Leaving to much spaces at the back, easier for opponents to counter. Concede at set pieces (short defenders).

Again, Bartra did okay against Bayern. The problem was the points I already mentioned above, in addition to the lack of press.
 

oz187

New member
Playing with 2 short attacking minded fullbacks is the real problem against RM/Bayern!
Leaving to much spaces at the back, easier for opponents to counter. Concede at set pieces (short defenders).

We have a new manager who has altered the tactics. How do you know the fullbacks are going to leave too much space at the back? That issue has been massively reduced this season. Also, the primary success of Real Madrid in recent years has been Cristiano getting through on goal. But how many players have been through on goal against Barca this season? And with no more Ozil who is going to play the precision throughballs for him to run on to? Exactly.

As for Bayern, the primary difference the team can make compared to last seasons encounter is in reducing the number of balls that are played into the box.
 

KhaledBarca

New member
We have a new manager who has altered the tactics. How do you know the fullbacks are going to leave too much space at the back? That issue has been massively reduced this season. Also, the primary success of Real Madrid in recent years has been Cristiano getting through on goal. But how many players have been through on goal against Barca this season? And with no more Ozil who is going to play the precision throughballs for him to run on to? Exactly.

As for Bayern, the primary difference the team can make compared to last seasons encounter is in reducing the number of balls that are played into the box.

The team is pressing better this season, Valdes is in form etc... We're improving defensively, but we didn't solve the problem yet.
We're still conceding goals at set pieces especially corners (Valencia, Sevilla, Valladolid). Mostly because we're playing with short fullbacks. When you have Alves vs Dante or Postiga, Adriano vs Guerra (Valladolid's ST) you'll concede from set-pieces. Martino can improve the pressing, Barca's way of defending as a team, he can give instructions to Alves to stay at the back and reduce his runs forward etc... But he can't help our defenders to gain 10 cm! This is why I'm suggesting Bartra, a tall CB who's recently inform has the skills to play this role.

I have no problem with Alves and Adriano/Alba, they are great. But, playing them TOGETHER against RM/Bayern is hurting the team. We have to find the new Abidal. From our current squad Bartra is the only one who might succeed at this role.

By the way, imo Alves recently hasn't been as good as 2008-11 for the same reasons I mentioned above. He used to go forward knowing that Abidal is staying at the back, he had more freedom, now its different. Last season, we didn't have a balance in the defense. His crosses where always awful :) but he used to link up very well with Messi...
 

KhaledBarca

New member
We have a new manager who has altered the tactics. How do you know the fullbacks are going to leave too much space at the back? That issue has been massively reduced this season. Also, the primary success of Real Madrid in recent years has been Cristiano getting through on goal. But how many players have been through on goal against Barca this season? And with no more Ozil who is going to play the precision throughballs for him to run on to? Exactly.

As for Bayern, the primary difference the team can make compared to last seasons encounter is in reducing the number of balls that are played into the box.

Counters and set-pieces (again).


We conceded a lot from corners last season.
Cristiano at camp nou (corner) - super cup.
Varane at camp nou (corner) - copa.
Ramos at bernabeu (corner) - Liga.
...

with Alves and Adriano at the back, there's no way we can mark Cristiano+Ramos+Pepe/Varane...

When we lost 1-2 at camp nou with Guardiola in 2011/12.
Khedira vs Adriano=> RM scored from a corner and then a counter Ozil through ball to Cristiano for their 2nd goal!
 
Last edited:
I completely agree with Khaled that we shouldn't play two attacking fullbacks against RM or Bayern, and that against those teams we should improve our set piece defending, and Bartra could well be the answer to both
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
I completely agree with Khaled that we shouldn't play two attacking fullbacks against RM or Bayern, and that against those teams we should improve our set piece defending, and Bartra could well be the answer to both

He is not ready to play RB against Madrid and its debateable whether he will ever be good enough to play RB.

Playing him there now against Ronaldo would be such the wrong thing to do. You would be putting him up against the best player in the world he could face in that position at a time where he is building confidence and momentum. A bad game in unfamiliar position in the top team against Ronaldo and Madrid could destroy all the progress he had made.

The idea is a total non starter.
 

KingMessi

SiempreBlaugrana
^ Agree

We shouldn't play Bartra at right back where he hasn't played recently. Especially not against Ronaldo. It could shatter his confidence. We should go ahead and play Montoya, he did well last year against Madrid.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
^ Agree

We shouldn't play Bartra at right back where he hasn't played recently. Especially not against Ronaldo. It could shatter his confidence. We should go ahead and play Montoya, he did well last year against Madrid.

I personally think it was a bit of a myth about how well Montoya did against Madrid last season. Ronaldo roasted him a few times and did him with his movement as well.

Alves should def start.
 

footyfan

Calma, calma
He is not ready to play RB against Madrid and its debateable whether he will ever be good enough to play RB.

Playing him there now against Ronaldo would be such the wrong thing to do. You would be putting him up against the best player in the world he could face in that position at a time where he is building confidence and momentum. A bad game in unfamiliar position in the top team against Ronaldo and Madrid could destroy all the progress he had made.

The idea is a total non starter.

^ Agree

We shouldn't play Bartra at right back where he hasn't played recently. Especially not against Ronaldo. It could shatter his confidence. We should go ahead and play Montoya, he did well last year against Madrid.

We played him against Bayern which didn't end well, but that hasn't quite dented his confidence has it?
 

Home of Barca Fans

Top