Marc Bartra

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When I said that last year, Tito disgracefully playing Adriano ahead of Bartra (or Montoya) in random games people gave me the "Tito will know better he sees them in training" answer.
The youngsters last year were treated like shit and I still can't believe some people hold a grudge against Thiago for leaving, but that's another discussion. Luckily Puyol the legend did the club yet another favour in convincing this amazing talent to stay. Remember that Bartra has earned himself a Spain call-up in only 2-3 months. If he keeps training hard with the right mentality, which I think he has, he can be an incredible CB for us in the future.

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Especially the Thiago part. I can't believe people are pissed at him and not Tito, Zubi or Rosell.
 
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Eetu

Adormit
I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest that his progress was gradual and thanks to him doing his work in training against the best. Rather than him being ready product that was ignored for a season and then some. That is remembering the walking liability he managed to be at times, even a tier lower, just a couple of years ago. Irritation due to youngsters playing too little has been a constant theme since winning league has required ridiculous points.

That probably makes me a delusional Tito-fanboy though.
 

Meitux

Active member
I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest that his progress was gradual and thanks to him doing his work in training against the best. Rather than him being ready product that was ignored for a season and then some. That is remembering the walking liability he managed to be at times, even a tier lower, just a couple of years ago. Irritation due to youngsters playing too little has been a constant theme since winning league has required ridiculous points.

That probably makes me a delusional Tito-fanboy though.
Don't even start with that point thing, last season we had big difference and already secured the Leauge but Tito seemed like wanting to antagonize Madrid playing the best line up there is and reach the 100 poinst, it wasn't even needed. They could of had better treatment and who knows, Thiago maybe wouldn't leave, but it wasn't only about just playing time. Playing time can come from meaningless games too, but it was also about the fact of what plans Tito did have for them. Tito was just pointed out as a manger to continue this supposed to be succesfull system continue and not change the philosophy of the club's way of play. it but it's proven that continue with the same old tactics doesn't mean you will be succesfull every time. And Tito didn't have the skills to be succesfull as a manager, all he did is continue what Pep left back but as i said Tito didn't have the right skills to improve it or find out other plans an ideas in difficult times.
 
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Trickykid

Active member
And Tito didn't have the skills to be succesfull as a manager, all he did is continue what Pep left back but as i said Tito didn't have the right skills to improve it or find out other plans an ideas in difficult times.

And you base this on one single season, where he had life threatening health problems to worry about?
 
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Meitux

Active member
And you base this off one single season, where he had life threatening health problems to worry about?
Not really, but to what i've seen, but blaming Thiago for leaving doesn't make any sense. But you know, my opinion and the most logical thing to do was that he should leave the coaching thing right after the cancer showed up, because it's a job that contains pressure and a disease that doesn't leave you easily in one peace.
 
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Eetu

Adormit
Don't even start with that point thing, last season we had big difference and already secured the Leauge but Tito seemed like wanting to antagonize Madrid playing the best line up there is and reach the 100 poinst, it wasn't even needed. They could of had better treatment and who knows, Thiago maybe wouldn't leave, but it wasn't only about just playing time. Playing time can come from meaningless games too, but it was also about the fact of what plans Tito did have for them. Tito was just pointed out as a manger to continue this supposed to be succesfull system continue and not change the philosophy of the club's way of play. it but it's proven that continue with the same old tactics doesn't mean you will be succesfull every time. And Tito didn't have the skills to be succesfull as a manager, all he did is continue what Pep left back but as i said Tito didn't have the right skills to improve it or find out other plans an ideas in difficult times.

Tito probably didn't have what it takes make it here. That doesn't change how Thiago had his prelude to last summer already under Pep and how Montoya & Bartra continued on the bench or stands until Tata had no options. And that's the trident for whose growth Tito's tenure had any relevance. What's frustrating, is that how negative of a circle jerk emerged from such a positive thing - Bartra starting to come of age. If we win anything this season, by the time it probably won't feel like a celebration unless we're burning voodoo dolls of Tito, or Thiago, or Pep, or someone.
 

zealot

New member
First of all you can't say that the club has handled him briliantly when what happend last year was shameful. Tito refused him to give him minutes against teams like Deportivo or Mallorca(teams that are now in Liga Adelante) or against Celta, Zaragoza or Granada at home, prefering to use Adriano, SONG or Busquets at CB. And on top of that, when he didn't had any choice left he used him against Bayern.

The one that handled him perfect was Martino, noticing that he needs someone to teach him and pairing him with Puyol, giving him minutes gradually so that if we will have another CB crisis against Real Madrid or another big team in CL Bartra would be ready.

I think you missed a major point here. Because I don't think Bartra's exclusion was Tito's decision alone, and I also don't think that current gradual inclusion into current setup is Tata's decision alone. I think this whole plan has already been planned by the whole coaching staffs. We have to understand the job of noticing a talent is not the job of the manager/head coach alone, probably it is not his job at all. Its the job of the whole coaching staffs. At least that's how I see it by being involved in my local club youth setups. In fact, I doubt Tata would have given him the minutes he's getting (which by the way is still a bit shorter than he could get if he should have played against every minor teams this season) if there's no recommendation from the staffs.

Real life football is not like Football Manager, that every young talent must be given minutes on the field against minor teams when they are aged 18-22 in order to be developed. We must acknowledge that people develop at different rate.

And secondly, Bartra was thinking about leaving, only that unlike Thiago, had his idol convincing him to stay, not negotiating a fee with Bayern. So for that I am grateful to Puyol, not the club or Tito who did nothing for the youngsters last season.

I admit Bartra's situation has been hard. I already said I had my doubts over him. But still he has made the difference for himself; to stay, unlike Thiago. Hopefully his trajectory will be similar to that of Xavi's.

Xavi wanted to go to AC Milan at some point remember?

Also I don't know why would you say that there is a lack of world class talent on display..I see more talented players than clubs that are willing to give them a chance.

Yes, I would say football today lack world class talent and pretty much boring as a whole. If there's plenty of world class players today, I'm afraid the bar has been lowered significantly.

I don't know, that's just my feeling. I started watching European football around 1995, and I envisioned football as game that is very technical and tactically creative. Not this counterattack fact paced and chaotic crap football majorly on show today. Again this is my own view. Nothing personal against other's preferences or taste.

Of course the high potential youngsters are there, plenty I admit. I just have my concerns at the way major clubs are developing their talents. They are getting exposed to quickly nowadays, and that bring more harm than good.

The youngsters last year were treated like shit and I still can't believe some people hold a grudge against Thiago for leaving, but that's another discussion.

Well there's nothing wrong if people hold different POV that you. Different people may take up different perspectives whatever suits themselves.

At least we all feel grateful that he decided to stay.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
Wish people like meta was here to see the grow of our bartra :lol:

The talent level of the like of him,montoya and thiago was their for every single person with eyes to see, and i am so happy that circumstances and lead to the raise of bartra.

we say this too much sometimes, but in this case its worth say, if pep were here, all three would have had a bigger role in the team by this.
 

zealot

New member
Wish people like meta was here to see the grow of our bartra :lol:

The talent level of the like of him,montoya and thiago was their for every single person with eyes to see, and i am so happy that circumstances and lead to the raise of bartra.

we say this too much sometimes, but in this case its worth say, if pep were here, all three would have had a bigger role in the team by this.

Pep? I still remember he tried to give Muniesa chances too early, and it has been a disaster. That's how fragile a youngster is. Extra cautious planning is needed when handling them.

And Pep was also the one started to use Masch as CB, when we had Fontas around, earning close to zero start :lol:

I agree with you though that Bartra and Montoya are gonna be massive players. But that's just because they want to stay.
 

Aryagorn

Improvin' Perfection!!
yes... Tito did play a part in Thiago's fiasco. But people need to think for a second and consider the circumstances before blaming it all on Tito. Tito was out half the time fighting against a life threatening disease! If he did not take a risk in that season, it doesnot entirely have to do with him not having balls!!

And people saying he never was good enough? Nice. Very nice. Pep won all the accolades for making Messi a striker, sure, but who was the one who decided on it?

Tito didn't want to bring any changes to the tactics and only wanted to ride on the age old formula? right. Who do you think was reponsible for the club to decide we needed a #9 to deal with parked buses? I don't remember which match, but in 2008-09 Pep was suspended and Tito was the incharge for a match. We were losing and Tito brought in Henry, played him as a targetman and won us the match.
Also from the last season, Tito put Messi in midfield and a proper #9 ahead of him, either Villa or Alexis, to occupy the back 4. It worked almost every time, because the #9 did often take the defenders away from Messi to create space for him in those tight situations. It also gave him another passing option to him further up the field.

So don't tell me Tito didn't know tactics!


And as I have already stated many a times... I would never rule out the possibility that Thiago wanted to follow his idol as soon as he was out of here... There's probably a reason he demanded for the stupid playing time clause to be included in his contract even though he signed on it when his idol Pep was still here... I mean he would do it only if he wasn't so sure Pep would give him the playing time... and then he decides to follow him to the club who have more stars than his parent club that too when they have just finished their historic season!? That definitely defies logic!

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Pique: "Bartra will become a lot better than me, because he's faster, braver and smarter." [el pais]

So, he knows it :p

may be he realized his starting berth isn't for granted anymore and that's the reason he is playing a bit better of late
 
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The Observer

New member
Messi has played in the middle since his La Masia days. No one "turned" him into a striker. If anything it was Rijkaard who turned him into a winger to fit him into the same side as Eto'o and Deco.
 

Barcaman

Administrator
Staff member
I wish I was optimistic as you guys. I still can't get the images of Bartra mistakes in 1st half out of my head.
I also don't think he's a smartest guy nor strong enough physically.

Hope I'll change my mind as I would love to see La Masia product replacing Puyol.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
Pep? I still remember he tried to give Muniesa chances too early, and it has been a disaster. That's how fragile a youngster is. Extra cautious planning is needed when handling them.

And Pep was also the one started to use Masch as CB, when we had Fontas around, earning close to zero start
:lol:

I agree with you though that Bartra and Montoya are gonna be massive players. But that's just because they want to stay.

:lol:
 

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