xavisionary
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Reus, Gotze, Schurrle, Muller, Ozil, Kroos and Draxler. FUUUUUUCKKKKKK.
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Theconomist
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Germany has so much attacking talent it's a joke.
khaled_a_d
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They just have to win something for this generation not to end up like England's Golden oneI doubt it'll happen with Löw, however.
This generation is just still really young ,with more experience I think they will have a much better team,I think they will peak by Euro 2016
Galning
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They just have to win something for this generation not to end up like England's Golden one
they already achieved more than that group of overrated adulterers.
loozy
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Oh yes, they won a lot of titles and stuff
Excellent shit really. Haven't choked at all or been betrayed by nerves. Except for England players not living up to their hype, what has Germany achieved? They've been in one final and three semi-finals and they lost all of them. They haven't won anything so, judging by titles and medals won, they are not that much better than England
@ khaled
The leaders of that generation are not that young. Lahm and Schweinsteiger are approaching 30 and there is no proper replacement for Lahm yet; Schweinsteiger can be replaced, yes, but aside from Gomez, there is no German striker when Klose signs off in 2014.
We shall see. I doubt that Germany will win anything with Löw in charge.
loozy
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It's a disgrace how they did it. IMO especially in the WC2010, Germany could've done much better even without Müller; heck, if it hadn't been for that thunderous header by Puyol, who knows what might have happened. And Germany did not always do great. Until 2006, they sucked majorly and it was only thanks to the really bad Euro 2004 that the DFB woke up and appointed Jürgen Klinsmann who installed a change with the help of Löw.
In the end, NTs will be remembered for the titles they won, and so far, Germany has failed to win a title since 1996; they came far in the last four tournaments, yes, but they never won anything (except for useless runners-up medals) given their potential. To then have Joachim Löw come up and say That they have won titles is embarrassing and shows the sometimes kindly coloured perception the German NT has in the media (which thankfully has changed now that they drew Sweden and their performance in general has been under closer scrutiny since Italy).
I don't see Germany as having achieved anything that wasn't expected, tbh, given the players and management. They breezed through qualification and the first rounds of the Euros and then choked pathetically when it really mattered. It's all about mentality and that is something that I cannot see Löw changing.
In the end, NTs will be remembered for the titles they won, and so far, Germany has failed to win a title since 1996; they came far in the last four tournaments, yes, but they never won anything (except for useless runners-up medals) given their potential. To then have Joachim Löw come up and say That they have won titles is embarrassing and shows the sometimes kindly coloured perception the German NT has in the media (which thankfully has changed now that they drew Sweden and their performance in general has been under closer scrutiny since Italy).
I don't see Germany as having achieved anything that wasn't expected, tbh, given the players and management. They breezed through qualification and the first rounds of the Euros and then choked pathetically when it really mattered. It's all about mentality and that is something that I cannot see Löw changing.
Kerrybai
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@loozy You sound like you really dislike your national team
I don't agree that they won't be remembered, sure not as much as they would be remembered had they won titles but the Netherlands side of the 70's is very well remembered despite failing in 2 world cup finals. Germany did destroy England and Argentina which will be remembered for decades to come, and if they can win CL titles with German national team players then that in itself is a great achievement too.
Finally the Bundesliga appears to be churning out top quality players ( I don't follow it closely ) so I think they are set up pretty well for the future.
I don't agree that they won't be remembered, sure not as much as they would be remembered had they won titles but the Netherlands side of the 70's is very well remembered despite failing in 2 world cup finals. Germany did destroy England and Argentina which will be remembered for decades to come, and if they can win CL titles with German national team players then that in itself is a great achievement too.
Finally the Bundesliga appears to be churning out top quality players ( I don't follow it closely ) so I think they are set up pretty well for the future.
loozy
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I only like Germany when Mertesacker plays in the line-up, other than that I follow England, Spain and Ireland
They will be remembered for the havroc they wreaked over Argentina and England (made me cry that match) but the fact that they failed to beat Spain will just underline the dominance of Spain for that period of 4 years.
I am not trying to put the NT down, they have massive quality and they can get places, I just don't think they can reach that with Löw and 2014 will be defining for him. If he does not win anything or come close to making it to the finale, then he will be gone (I hope so, anyways). He must be doing something quite wrong, especially when it comes to the Dortmund-defensive players. Neither Hummels nor Schmelzer perform to the standards of Dortmund and Bender often does not make it into the squad (which is okay as his twin brother, it's their birthday today, on a totally random note, is much better); Germany have an excellent attacking side with a lot of variety and a solid midfield (I can see Schweinsteiger soon being replaced by Gündogan if Löw has the balls to do so) but their defense is shaky and can easily be gotten at (aside from Lahm who is consistency personified) because Löw does not settle on a back four (granted, he also had to do a lot of experimenting this season because of injuries).
I'm weird like that and it's hard to articulate it. I'd love to see Mertesacker win something while playing but when I look at the Bayern- & Dortmund-players in the line-up, I kind of want them to not do well (and this is something completely subjective, I have never been able to warm to the Germans until the BFG came along); however, I cannot denounce the quality that the Germans have, which can only be compared to Spain, especially when looking at future prospects, and they should win SOMETHING just to have something to show for their quality and potential (and this is not talking about German teams but about the NT).
Do I make ANY sense?
They will be remembered for the havroc they wreaked over Argentina and England (made me cry that match) but the fact that they failed to beat Spain will just underline the dominance of Spain for that period of 4 years.
I am not trying to put the NT down, they have massive quality and they can get places, I just don't think they can reach that with Löw and 2014 will be defining for him. If he does not win anything or come close to making it to the finale, then he will be gone (I hope so, anyways). He must be doing something quite wrong, especially when it comes to the Dortmund-defensive players. Neither Hummels nor Schmelzer perform to the standards of Dortmund and Bender often does not make it into the squad (which is okay as his twin brother, it's their birthday today, on a totally random note, is much better); Germany have an excellent attacking side with a lot of variety and a solid midfield (I can see Schweinsteiger soon being replaced by Gündogan if Löw has the balls to do so) but their defense is shaky and can easily be gotten at (aside from Lahm who is consistency personified) because Löw does not settle on a back four (granted, he also had to do a lot of experimenting this season because of injuries).
I'm weird like that and it's hard to articulate it. I'd love to see Mertesacker win something while playing but when I look at the Bayern- & Dortmund-players in the line-up, I kind of want them to not do well (and this is something completely subjective, I have never been able to warm to the Germans until the BFG came along); however, I cannot denounce the quality that the Germans have, which can only be compared to Spain, especially when looking at future prospects, and they should win SOMETHING just to have something to show for their quality and potential (and this is not talking about German teams but about the NT).
Do I make ANY sense?
Kerrybai
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Yes of course you make sense, is it common for Germans not to like the national team?
I think the German team has been very unlucky to hit this golden generation while Spain hit theirs. I think the Dutch team of the 70's is remembered as much for coming so close to winning as for their actual quality and players.
Would you agree that this German team will be remembered as the bridesmaid to to Spain
I think the German team has been very unlucky to hit this golden generation while Spain hit theirs. I think the Dutch team of the 70's is remembered as much for coming so close to winning as for their actual quality and players.
Would you agree that this German team will be remembered as the bridesmaid to to Spain
loozy
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Yes of course you make sense, is it common for Germans not to like the national team?
I think the German team has been very unlucky to hit this golden generation while Spain hit theirs. I think the Dutch team of the 70's is remembered as much for coming so close to winning as for their actual quality and players.
Would you agree that this German team will be remembered as the bridesmaid to to Spain
A lot of people don't like the NT because of the big hype and because it is chique to hate them, all the commercialism and the fan streets etc. I was never affected by this, in fact I never experienced the apparently brilliant atmosphere during the WC in 2006 because I lived in Ireland during that time, same goes for 2008; and in 2010 I rooted for England and was utterly disappointed (even if the BFG ruled the world and I was proud of him).
I have never liked the German NT, I think my parents did something wrong in my education in that aspect
(seeing as they are big footie fans themselves and went to the games with me a lot but patriotism is never something that I cottoned on to successfully). Nowawadys it is because of Löw and his scarf and because of the way he handles certain personnel issues (Ballack, Frings, Kießling, to just name a few) and that he seems to have clear favourites that he does not like to push out unless pressured (Podolski). Until the semi against Italy, criticism against hi was frowned up because of the highly successful campaigns he had enjoyed until then but after it showed that Germany folds like a cheap hooker on a lazy Wednesday when confronted with the right amount of money/pressure. After the Euros, it was THE thing to do and all those that didn't like him or the NT felt justified in their criticism. It was petty, really; but then again, so was the worshipping of Löw before that. To hear some papers and journalists talk, it seemed certain that Germany would make it into the finale, even when they had trouble against Denmark in the group stages and also against Greece.
Personally, I don't like him, I think he is a spineless twat but I also never liked Klinsmann. Like I said, my patriotism is closely connect to 6 foot 2 of blonde awkwardness
Haha, I like the comparison of Germany and Spain but to cement that, I think they might have to meet again. Right now, the NT teams are in a bit of a S/M-situation with Spain - whenever they want to change things, Spain turn out their Dom side and show who's the boss
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I really don't see how you can claim that their adulterating abilities are overrated. They have some of the best adulterers around and I don't think any nation can touch them on this front (no pun intended)
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rivaldo10
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that we want neymar and not this guy is just mental
Kerrybai
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@loozy
I think there are actually quite a lot of people who don't like their national teams. For some people they make a link between national pride and their national football team, and as a result their support is unflappable. Perhaps been born into a successful footballing nation makes this connection less likely.
The media treatment sounds similar to that in England, basically hyping up the team to be the best in the world before watching them crumble miserably Your dislike of Low is similar to mine with my national team, picking the wrong players, acting stubborn etc. Basically refusing to admit mistakes and change personnel because of undying stubbornness
I wonder will 2014 be Germany's year? A European side has never won a world cup in the America's but I think that's likely to change, personally if Argentina ( or Ireland of course ) don't win the world cup I'd like Germany to win it.
I think there are actually quite a lot of people who don't like their national teams. For some people they make a link between national pride and their national football team, and as a result their support is unflappable. Perhaps been born into a successful footballing nation makes this connection less likely.
The media treatment sounds similar to that in England, basically hyping up the team to be the best in the world before watching them crumble miserably
Your dislike of Low is similar to mine with my national team, picking the wrong players, acting stubborn etc. Basically refusing to admit mistakes and change personnel because of undying stubbornness I wonder will 2014 be Germany's year? A European side has never won a world cup in the America's but I think that's likely to change, personally if Argentina ( or Ireland of course
) don't win the world cup I'd like Germany to win it.Home of Barca Fans
