Marquinhos
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DonAndres
Wild Man of Borneo
Song has impressed though and makes a worthy backup. I dunno why Inigo Martinez is never considered as a CB transfer option though. Young yet experienced, very solid and reliable, not too expensive, Spanish nationality (easier to fit in), and has potential to be a top class CB.
PearLBLacK
Banned
Another solid performance from Marcos and the defense in general. Him and Burdisso make such a great pair, superbly compliment each other. If Marquinhos and Romagnoli stay with Roma and keep improving, we're set to have one of the best CB duo in Europe.
DucdeOrléans
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But he still was our top scorer that season with 19 goals and 11 assists despite struggling with a back injury and a divorce. In his first season for us nevertheless. Titti is all-time legend and one of the best strikers of all-time and he will forever be remembered as a integral piece in the best season in FCB's history and most successful period (the treble during the 2008-2009 season) and the 6 out of possible 6 trophies won during the 2009 calendar year. Itself a feat that was never achieved before and probably never will be, at least for many years.
El Guaje is a legend as well and is still able to write history for us.
I have not followed Marquinhos that much this season despite Roma being a very pleasant team to watch but I can't imagine than he is better than Varane? How good is he compared to other youngsters in his position? I am pretty sure that we will not touch a soon to be 19 year old with so little experience at the highest level already. It's given that we will buy a central defender this summer but I really doubt that this defender will be Marquinhos...
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Ode to Django
You're not even a real journalism
I hope he stays at Roma, who have a pretty damn good team.
PearLBLacK
Banned
He's a prospect, inexperienced yet but very good nonetheless. Of course he's not better than Varane but that's not a big deal. Varane is special and is trained under a top coach in a top facility. I'd say Marcos is the second best defender younger than 20, and what differentiates him and Varane from most are that they have become definite starters for their respective clubs. J.D.Martinis' piece I put up earlier in page 5 explains better.
What is even better is that we have another young defender who came through the youth system and his name is Alessio Romagnoli. He's only 18 and the standard procedure is to play for the youth system then get loaned out to Serie B or other clubs in Serie A where he'll get playing time. But this guy was promoted straight to the first team after also having skipped several youth levels previously. He trains full time under Aurelio and he should be Marquinhos' partner although he's injured right now.
This article will explain his story and how he and Marcos compliment each other much better than I can: http://maledettaprimavera.net/2013/03/04/the-biggest-talent-since-daniele-de-rossi/
I suggest you guys read it because it also shows how with him and Marcos, we'll be having one of the best CB pairings in Europe. Coupled with the recent player acquisitions of the last years (Pjanic, Lamela, Destro) and youngsters from the youth (Florenzi), it becomes clear Roma is building for the future. These are the building blocks of the ongoing project and that they all start alongside legends like Totti and De Rossi as well as seniors like Perrotta should be an indicator. These legends provide necessary experience and leadership but will gradually retire and younger prospects will take their place. That's why it's illogical to sell any of our youngsters and why the rumored rejection of a 20m for Marcos is proof enough. It'll be tough holding on to them especially those that are older and were bought and not brought through the system such as Pjanic and Lamela. Bu if they do stay, with the direction the club is moving in, we'll soon have a team to be reckoned with in Calcio and hopefully in Europe.
FCBarca
Mike the Knife
Football isn't stats...Henry was nearly dumped after that first season, regardless of his 19 goals & 11 assists...For those who actually were following the team, we know this...I remember the boos & jeers as well as the countless articles claiming he was still back in London rather than out on the pitch...Titi even acknowledged his inability to adapt either to the left wing or to scoring consistently for the club...In particular, the player complained openly about how much he had to run which exposed his flank on the defensive end, repeatedly...Often, we saw him dive ala Alexis expecting to get the superstar call
Graham Hunter at the time:
The following season, under Pep, was his best...for obvious reasons, he worked his ass off
Villa has never had issues with working his ass off
DucdeOrléans
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I followed the team very closely that season as I have done for nearly a decade now. I don't think that I missed more than a couple of games during the 2007-2008 season despite it being a absolutely horrible one so I am familiar with the dynamics during that time period and don't need quotes from Graham Hunter - a Brit who often tends to exaggerate his statements - see the Dongou comparisons etc. if one ever doubted. The consensus in the Catalan press was certainly not that his debut season was bad considering the aspects I mentioned previously. We all know about his struggles that season and his role on the "wing" which was something entirely knew for him. I never said that he was even close to his heyday Arsenal days that particular season or that he was anywhere near the form he produced the following season. All I am saying is that the criticism he often gets for that debut season is ridiculous given the circumstances. Or the comparisons to Sánchez which don't hold water either with all due respect. His stats, which are by no means insignificant - let alone for a striker who was bought to score and create goals, his personal issues (divorce, back injury and other smaller injuries) coupled with that being his debut season proves otherwise. Statistically speaking he was our best performer that season. This cannot be undermined. So it's a little harsh to compare him with Sánchez or even imply that his season was bad. Not perfect, fantastic or very good but certainly not bad or "Sánchez like".
Titti's only bad season was the 2010-2011 season which also proved to be his last.
Villa is/was a different player and nobody ever commented on his pressing game or compared it to that of Titti's. Both proved their worth under Pep in that department. Titti during the legendary treble season in 2008-09 and Villa during the 2010-11 season.
Anyway I don't think that we will agree on this one but I do think that we both can agree on the fact that Henry and likewise Villa have played crucial roles for our recent successes and for that they deserve praise.
Thanks PearlBlack. I have been reading a bit about Marquinhos in the Italian media today and he seems to get a lot of praise. But as I said before then I have only followed Roma a few times this season so I objected from passing any judgements on a 18 year old CB who only featured 6 times in the Brasileirão, 8 times in the Campeonato Paulista, in 1 friendly game and only in 14 U-17 games for Brazil which to date are his only international appearances, before his move to Roma last summer. I know that he was highly rated in Corinthians and that he has received a lot of praise this season from Italian pundits. Likewise the young Romagnoli who scored recently against Genoa if I remember correctly.
I knew Varane from his time in Lens and already spoke highly off him on this forum before he was bought by RM. I already regard Varane as the most promising young CB and I don't expect any talent to emulate him for some time to come. I was more interested in hearing what you as a RM and AS Roma supporter thought of a possible comparison.
Yes, Roma have a very promising team and they play some excellent football. Outside of Milan I always hope that you guys will perform.
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FCBarca
Mike the Knife
Je suis désolé but you're spinning for one of your Les Bleus and attempting to rewrite history...So fine, rubbish Graham Hunter because he wanks over Dongou but ignore the majority of pundits, papers, journalists, fans and the player himself who talked about how disappointing his first season at the club was...regardless of the 19/11 stats...Forget the number of times he was booed & jeered by fans, the tense interviews, the poor performances during the ANC when Samu was gone, the dives and then spin it that Henry was a bang on success 
He was lazy, out of shape and injured while trying to ride his star treatment from the premiership for calls...At least Alexis has never complained or stopped running, probably why he hasn't been treated as harshly by the press or fans...But sometimes a player simply doesn't fit...Henry came around but it took him accepting he had to work harder and Pep was the man who deserves that credit
He was lazy, out of shape and injured while trying to ride his star treatment from the premiership for calls...At least Alexis has never complained or stopped running, probably why he hasn't been treated as harshly by the press or fans...But sometimes a player simply doesn't fit...Henry came around but it took him accepting he had to work harder and Pep was the man who deserves that credit
DucdeOrléans
New member
I think most if not all football players would love to have such stats in their debut season for such a club like FCB given all the circumstances off and on the field. It's idiotic to label Titti's debut season as a failure or compare him to Alexis Sácnhez. Already wrote why. Nothing to do with his nationality.
It was widely known before and after his transfer that he was struggling with a injury and a divorce and that was taken into consideration. Moreover the performance of the team during the 2007-2008 season was horrendous and basically most of the critics were busy bashing Rijkaard, Ronaldinho, Deco, Eto'os off-field behavior and the overall performance of team etc. There was sporadic criticism as there always will be but that was more a reflection of the enormous exceptions before the season after a traumatic ending of the 2006-2007 season. Hence why Laporta, among other things, ended up buying Henry to curve the criticism.
Also it speaks volume that Guardiola never attempted to get rid of Henry after a so-called "failed or Alexis-like season".
Also whether you want to neglect statistics or not then being the teams top scorer and among the leading providers speaks volumes considering all the aspects I have mentioned. Statistics are not everything but they sure play a damn big role - especially for a attacker who is bought mainly to score and provide.
Once again - the pressing game of Sánchez this season versus Titti's pressing ability in his debut season (2007-2008 season) has no importance in our argument for obvious reasons since you are comparing apples and oranges. For starters we are talking about two completely different eras, completely different tactics, managers, the pre-Guardiola era, a failed system and a generation of leading players that approached their end for the club - versus a well-defined machine that was put in place mainly by Guardiola and which has proven to be among the most successful changes in football history. Let's not even get into the different types of player that you are comparing (Henry vs Sánchez), their roles, age, strengths etc.
Anyway we won't agree.
It was widely known before and after his transfer that he was struggling with a injury and a divorce and that was taken into consideration. Moreover the performance of the team during the 2007-2008 season was horrendous and basically most of the critics were busy bashing Rijkaard, Ronaldinho, Deco, Eto'os off-field behavior and the overall performance of team etc. There was sporadic criticism as there always will be but that was more a reflection of the enormous exceptions before the season after a traumatic ending of the 2006-2007 season. Hence why Laporta, among other things, ended up buying Henry to curve the criticism.
Also it speaks volume that Guardiola never attempted to get rid of Henry after a so-called "failed or Alexis-like season".
Also whether you want to neglect statistics or not then being the teams top scorer and among the leading providers speaks volumes considering all the aspects I have mentioned. Statistics are not everything but they sure play a damn big role - especially for a attacker who is bought mainly to score and provide.
Once again - the pressing game of Sánchez this season versus Titti's pressing ability in his debut season (2007-2008 season) has no importance in our argument for obvious reasons since you are comparing apples and oranges. For starters we are talking about two completely different eras, completely different tactics, managers, the pre-Guardiola era, a failed system and a generation of leading players that approached their end for the club - versus a well-defined machine that was put in place mainly by Guardiola and which has proven to be among the most successful changes in football history. Let's not even get into the different types of player that you are comparing (Henry vs Sánchez), their roles, age, strengths etc.
Anyway we won't agree.
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spark
New member
Yea Henry missed a lot of the season with sciatica in that last season at Arsenal. He also said he played with pain when he first signed because well, one he was eager to impress and two, Eto'o was injured in the Gamper. Yes Henry scored similar amounts or more than Samu at Arsenal but he was playing from the left. Completely different characteristics to a pure 9 like Eto'o who will run all day. Had he come a year earlier he probably would have dwarfed those 19 goals. As it happened he came when Ronaldinho decided to stop playing football, Samu got injured, Messi missed some months. He didnt speak Spanish. Calling him lazy would be like calling abidal lazy for not immediately integrating in his first year. Or Yaya. Or Thuram for coming past his prime or Zambrotta. The fans were angry in general that year. Even a legend like Eto'o was whistled for allegedly intentionally missing the 4-1 loss at the Bernabeu. I like Alexis but, you cant compare him not being whistled now without considering what would have happened in 2008 if he was here playing at his current level.
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beautifulgame
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Off topic!
Keep coming in here expecting news on Marcos and you guys are talking about Henry!
Keep coming in here expecting news on Marcos and you guys are talking about Henry!
Mesu
New member
Trying to fend off the vultures? I wish we had a youth CB who has the talent and potential of Marquinhos. Maybe one day.....
What about Frank Mackey Bagnack??
DonAndres
Wild Man of Borneo
There are plenty of talented defenders in la masia but sadly at much lower youth levels. Quintilla, Tarin, and Bagnack are all highly rated and I'd say that at least one or two of them will make it. The problem is they are currently like 16 years old and we need someone with top-flight experience in the next year or two.
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