Martin Braithwaite

mc_lovin

Senior Member
*while still being one of the richest teams around. See Alves, Henry, (...).

Dont get me wrong I appreciate what we achieved, but its not a reliable basis for success. Money is (more likely than not).
 

Rory

Senior Member
*while still being one of the richest teams around. See Alves, Henry, (...).

Dont get me wrong I appreciate what we achieved, but its not a reliable basis for success. Money is (more likely than not).

I see what you're saying but I believe it's more of a money threshold thing. So a club needs to have a certain amount of wealth to be successful. There's probably a dozen clubs in the world that have that sort of money. After that it's purely down to who you buy, the manager, the sporting director etc etc.

It just seemed like you were saying throwing money around = success which is obviously untrue with Coutinho, Dembele and to a lesser extent Griezmann. Braithwaite is already looking to be a better signing than all of them and he cost 1/4 of the amount. So it's just surprising to see people then just claim this guy is average on one hand even though he's looking better than our €100m+ signings and then want to purchase yet another €100m+ player.
 

mc_lovin

Senior Member
I see what you're saying but I believe it's more of a money threshold thing. So a club needs to have a certain amount of wealth to be successful. There's probably a dozen clubs in the world that have that sort of money. After that it's purely down to who you buy, the manager, the sporting director etc etc.

It just seemed like you were saying throwing money around = success which is obviously untrue with Coutinho, Dembele and to a lesser extent Griezmann. Braithwaite is already looking to be a better signing than all of them and he cost 1/4 of the amount. So it's just surprising to see people then just claim this guy is average on one hand even though he's looking better than our €100m+ signings and then want to purchase yet another €100m+ player.

Of course not. Its not only about splashing around 100ME+ for transfers, but identifying the right players as well. We failed at the latter part recently, but a few high profile players are generally preferable to the likes of Braithwaite (who I appreciate). Worldclass talent carries teams to titles. A few squad players in between are nice to have, but in moderation. Chumy is not needed for example - to circle back to the initial topic.
 

vuji_31

Senior Member
We need to sign players like Sane.

We lack of that kind of player.
Braithwaite who is much slower then him seems like grrat player.

Imagine someone like him.

I am tired of players like Grirzmann,Coutinho,Lautaro where you pay 120mil+ for a player that can't dribble,create by getting one on one and can't exploit space.

I would rather get Adama for 111 then fucking argentina midget from Inter, which showed his real suality yesterday
 

Rory

Senior Member
Of course not. Its not only about splashing around 100ME+ for transfers, but identifying the right players as well. We failed at the latter part recently, but a few high profile players are generally preferable to the likes of Braithwaite (who I appreciate). Worldclass talent carries teams to titles. A few squad players in between are nice to have, but in moderation. Chumy is not needed for example - to circle back to the initial topic.

So continue signing 100m players in the hope eventually one of them becomes this team carrying worldclass player whilst ignoring gaping holes in the squad that could be filled by smaller profile and cheaper players that do a good enough job? It's a recipe to financial ruin and disaster. Especially when we already have a few world class talents to carry us through games.

Genuinely confused by your point now. I know you're a big fan of Lautaro but putting that aside you can't seriously think signing only absolute world class talents is reasonable?
 

mc_lovin

Senior Member
So continue signing 100m players in the hope eventually one of them becomes this team carrying worldclass player whilst ignoring gaping holes in the squad that could be filled by smaller profile and cheaper players that do a good enough job? It's a recipe to financial ruin and disaster. Especially when we already have a few world class talents to carry us through games.

Genuinely confused by your point now. I know you're a big fan of Lautaro but putting that aside you can't seriously think signing only absolute world class talents is reasonable?


You can always make the numbers up (with La Masia, transfers like Braithwaite). Lets say we have 3 vacant spots in midfield: I would rather buy 1 Frenkie than 3 "past it" Vidals.


Edit: It will always be a combination of high profile transfers+squad players. Just because we f**** up our recent high profile transfers doesnt mean we shouldnt go for those anymore. Its a numbers game.
 
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Rory

Senior Member
You can always make the numbers up (with La Masia, transfers like Braithwaite). Lets say we have 3 vacant spots in midfield: I would rather buy 1 Frenkie than 3 "past it" Vidals.

Wait so now signing "average" players is a good idea? Messi, Suarez, Griezmann, Dembele, Fati are our forwards so doesn't it make complete sense to just make the numbers up now with some average signings?

Vidal has been a better player this year than Frenkie but I get your point.
 

Rory

Senior Member
And yes I'm aware they won't be around forever. BUT they are around now and that's all that matters. No one else is signing Lautaro for 100m, he can stay at inter and develop for one or two more years. In that time we can properly assess if he should come our way and then we can sign him.
 

mc_lovin

Senior Member
Wait so now signing "average" players is a good idea? Messi, Suarez, Griezmann, Dembele, Fati are our forwards so doesn't it make complete sense to just make the numbers up now with some average signings?

Vidal has been a better player this year than Frenkie but I get your point.

You got me there. But the key phrase is in moderation. One Braithwaite is nice to have. More, like vuji suggested, is not needed.

I am really tired of arguing Lautaro, lets not make him the topic. Its more about a general transfer strategy.
 

fergus90

Senior Member
I've been impressed by him so far and to be honest would start him over Griezmann at the moment who just looks like the square-peg in a round hole the majority thought he would.
 

Rory

Senior Member
You got me there. But the key phrase is in moderation. One Braithwaite is nice to have. More, like vuji suggested, is not needed.

I am really tired of arguing Lautaro, lets not make him the topic. Its more about a general transfer strategy.

My ideal general transfer strategy is signing players based on the needs of the squad, the profile of player needed and how much they would cost. Braithwaite ticked all of those boxes as do many low cost signings. If they should fail they can usually be sold for slightly below their purchase price. If we didn't have Messi and Suarez as forwards I'd absolutely be for a high profile signing.

I just don't think we need one yet.
 

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