Vilarrubi
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Probably seems faster because of the rest of the teams lack of speed. His dribbling is below average too, probably why he doesn?t go past players often.
Martin Braithwaite
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Probably seems faster because of the rest of the teams lack of speed. His dribbling is below average too, probably why he doesn?t go past players often.
JamDav1982
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Nah Jammy just knows Braithwaite is miles off standard required.
You are in good company with BBZ on this one.... Braithwaite 'didnt feel like performing in Championship'.. that is a new fabricated excuse for him.
Messi983
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Yeah, I know.
El Gato
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@Jammy
Do elaborate how I'm with BBZ on this one. Don't even know what he says on it TBH, had him on ignore for years because his takes regularly made no sense from sentence to sentence, much less from post to post.
Overinterpreting the latter part is just amusing. Keep banging on about how poor he is, I guess the forum needs it to stay level headed. No problem. Would be interesting to hear how you rate Origi and Choupo as the backup strikers for some of the best sides in Europe in the past 2-3 years and how that fits into your theory of 'required standard'.
Do elaborate how I'm with BBZ on this one. Don't even know what he says on it TBH, had him on ignore for years because his takes regularly made no sense from sentence to sentence, much less from post to post.
Overinterpreting the latter part is just amusing. Keep banging on about how poor he is, I guess the forum needs it to stay level headed. No problem. Would be interesting to hear how you rate Origi and Choupo as the backup strikers for some of the best sides in Europe in the past 2-3 years and how that fits into your theory of 'required standard'.
JamDav1982
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Wolfie you are with BBZ on the over rating of Braithwaite. Elaboration over.
He is poor. The way folk go on about him being a 'threat' in last couple games is laughbable.
Last night? One shot, no key passes and no dribbles.
Not much better in game before where he also lost the ball more than anyone bar Messi.
He is miles off standard needed and runs about a lot is about only plus point.
El Gato
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No I am not. Not until you tell me what he says and we can validate.
Do tell how I've over rated him.
How far off the 'standard' are Origi and Choupo being backups for CL contenders?
I didn't watch much of the game last night, don't really care what he did. I'll trust he didn't have passes and dribbles. Was his presence net benefit to the team or not?
JamDav1982
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Yeah you are and if want to read what he is aligned with you on take him off being blocked.
What relevance do Origi and Chopo Mouting have to Braithwaite not being good enough?
El Gato
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I would. If I wanted to. Think I'll just not bother and assume you've misrepresented my stance on Braithwaite. Which is clear enough from the comment that I've somehow overrated him and you're too lazy to tell me how.
Just wondering how your 'standards' hold up with similar quality backups being kept in a variety of championship contending teams ever since the inception of football.
JamDav1982
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Origi is better than Braithwaite and is a CF. Not a great goalscorers but offers Liverpool something different from their front three is struggling to break teams down. Also a younger player who Liverpool have tried to develop.
Not even remotely like Braithwaite.
Liverpool also just bought Jota....
Paying 17m for a player that offers nothing of standard and not even a different option to come on is miles off it. Miles I tell ya.
El Gato
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That they did. Having kept Origi for 3 years before buying a better player and only loaning Origi out because he wanted to play. Why do you think they didn't address the 'standard' earlier? Why do you think current CL winners bring in a bonafide scrub (by top European 'standard'), famous for arguably the most hilarious miss of the decade, who bounced off of Stoke City to be their backup? What does that say about their 'standard'?
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JamDav1982
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Yip kept Origi as younger player who could offer something different and they tried to develop.... as I said.
Origi is/was a better player than Braithwaite and young/developing while back up and also they often had other options in shuffling players about before turning to him anyway.
Nothing like Braithwaite. Better player, younger and offered something different.
El Gato
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Nope, you didn't say it. Never elaborated on it until pressed.
Origi was absolutely garbage for them, didn't improve the team structure any time he came on, didn't confuse the opponent in any way with how 'different' he is and offered nothing that Firmino didn't already offer, hence didn't even play very much and when used was only due to injury of starting players.
Shit standard for a big club like Liverpool, not to mention the CL winners who go for a worse player as their backup. Right?
Braithwaite currently is net benefit presence for Barcelona on character and profile alone, is not a priority to be replaced, will not be a priority to remove this summer as Barca need a better starter striker than a better backup and club can't spend on both at the same time (we'll see if they spend on anyone for that matter given how poor the financial situation is). Nor does it make sense to remove him as profile and work-first players not routinely associated with Barcelona are necessary in the dressing room, and he ticks every minimum box any reasonable fan could demand.
You're being ridiculous in banging on about how poor he is provided how much team benefits from having him around, but I get you're doing it to stave off those who do genuinely think he gives more than he actually does. All this really is is a projection of anger at Bartomeu board for being shit businessmen and panic buying any Liga striker.
Origi was absolutely garbage for them, didn't improve the team structure any time he came on, didn't confuse the opponent in any way with how 'different' he is and offered nothing that Firmino didn't already offer, hence didn't even play very much and when used was only due to injury of starting players.
Shit standard for a big club like Liverpool, not to mention the CL winners who go for a worse player as their backup. Right?
Braithwaite currently is net benefit presence for Barcelona on character and profile alone, is not a priority to be replaced, will not be a priority to remove this summer as Barca need a better starter striker than a better backup and club can't spend on both at the same time (we'll see if they spend on anyone for that matter given how poor the financial situation is). Nor does it make sense to remove him as profile and work-first players not routinely associated with Barcelona are necessary in the dressing room, and he ticks every minimum box any reasonable fan could demand.
You're being ridiculous in banging on about how poor he is provided how much team benefits from having him around, but I get you're doing it to stave off those who do genuinely think he gives more than he actually does. All this really is is a projection of anger at Bartomeu board for being shit businessmen and panic buying any Liga striker.
JamDav1982
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Yip I did say it... literally in my previous post I said the difference with Origi and had said before that is what would want if it is a young player trying to develop.
Origi and Braithwaite are not remotely similar in anything from quality to age.
Braithwaite will only still be at Barca in summer if there are no other clubs dumb enough to rate him to point would try and take him.
Shit players who run about are not 'net benefits' in a squad that Barca should be aspiring to improve.
Origi will probably move on from Liverpool soon enough having helped them win a CL, done a job when needed and make them a good bit of money.
Braithwaite will leave as a symbol of another shit signing out his depth. Once again Barca over rating the standard of la liga and get caught out.
How far do you have to go before a back up is not good enough? If it is not Braithwaite then shudder to think.
El Gato
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They are identical in that they are below the championship standard you continuously allude to. Origi has been shit for Liverpool in the long run bar a few anomalous performances, which do not justify having him around as long as the club did. That is if they were to religiously adhere to the standard you purport the club should hold itself to when contending. They should have sold him a long time ago and bought a guy like Jota in way earlier, but they don't, making 'standard' argument being moot in these cases as top sides don't care about ruthless application of it as much as some fans do. Same at Bayern.
Relatively poor players absolutely can be net benefits to teams like current Barcelona, because they know they have no right to an ego. The minimum for him is to put the work in and when guys like Braithwaite put the work in, the rest of the better players you have, who do not consistently apply themselves or get frustrated at their teammates/their manager for failing to put them in position to succeed, will look worse for it and showcase lack of flexibility, resilience and leadership. As they can't even do what that guy who's getting consistently fingerpointed at does on a regular basis, leading by example far more than they do. Thousands of examples of the same mechanism working in a variety of settings in sport and life.
Braithwaite will continue to be at Barcelona as the club will likely have no money to buy a different player capable of playing CF better than him, and he's not a priority to replace - starting forward is. Unless a better forward surfaces from La Masia, which is not looking likely.
Not because there will be no buyers (there would be enough, for less money than Barto paid).
He will stay and continue to be a backup for bottom La Liga (as he should be).
Relatively poor players absolutely can be net benefits to teams like current Barcelona, because they know they have no right to an ego. The minimum for him is to put the work in and when guys like Braithwaite put the work in, the rest of the better players you have, who do not consistently apply themselves or get frustrated at their teammates/their manager for failing to put them in position to succeed, will look worse for it and showcase lack of flexibility, resilience and leadership. As they can't even do what that guy who's getting consistently fingerpointed at does on a regular basis, leading by example far more than they do. Thousands of examples of the same mechanism working in a variety of settings in sport and life.
Braithwaite will continue to be at Barcelona as the club will likely have no money to buy a different player capable of playing CF better than him, and he's not a priority to replace - starting forward is. Unless a better forward surfaces from La Masia, which is not looking likely.
Not because there will be no buyers (there would be enough, for less money than Barto paid).
He will stay and continue to be a backup for bottom La Liga (as he should be).
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