Martin Braithwaite

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JamDav1982

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No they are not identical as Origi contributed, brought something different and was a young player trying to develop.

Braithwaite has never been a CF of any standard is old, wont develop and miles aff it.

He would be gone if get anywhere close to a decent offer. But wont get it as other clubs see him for what he is.

No Barca should never have players as poor as him that just run about. It should be a given for every player signed that they work and never drop to depths of Braithwaite if just looking for a nice guy that runs.

I am oot this one.

Done enlightening someone who thinks Braithwaite is a good enough back up, slates Benzema and loves a bit of Jovic.

Ciao.
 
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El Gato

El Gato

Villarato!
They are identical in that they are below the standard. Bizarre how you keep going around this and never address Bayern going far below the standard with Choupo too.

He wouldn't be gone as Barca need a player to back up the CF position and coffers are suffering so wouldn't spend for another and would need to field La Masia and likely play Griezmann upfront. Makes no sense to sell him now or this summer. 5-6th priority matter. Always amusing to read opinions of people who sound off along these lines of 'how does this guy still play at a club like x' lol. Reading same things over and over at Real pages about Vazquez.

Plenty of clubs who have relatively poor players whose first and often only job is to dispassionately run showing they are able to lead by example. Been done since the beginning of time. Serves as a great wake up call for ego-ridden dressing rooms and good on Koeman for using the mechanism. Never is a given that every player signed works 100% of the time, especially in teams that used to win en-masse. Exactly why guys like him are kept until new young blood with good mentality can be brought in to replace, but this costs a lot of money nowadays. Money that Barca do not have.
 
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Birdy

Birdy

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Agree that Braithwate is immensely helpful for this current Barca, especially as a CF when no one else stretches the pitch vertically and the nominal CFs (Messi and Griez) want to drop back and play as 10.

But I don't think Origi is a good comparison.
Origi was spectacular as a young player before his injury in 2016. Had convinced Klopp, who was giving him the jersey of the starter at Liverpool at the age of 18, played all important EL games until the final.
Then, after his injury, things changed and he never reached that level again.
Braithwate probably never had that potential in his career even as a youngster
 
Richard.H

Richard.H

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Jamdav I completely disagree with you and not sure why you are even debating this. Currently Brathwaite is far more effective in that front three than Griezmann and Coutinho. This is flat out embarrassing considering how much those two cost. This imaginary "Barca Standard" that you constantly mention has faded away in the last two seasons. We are in no position to claim if a player is barca standard or not. Those days are long past us. At this moment we should be very satisfied that the player is ticking the right boxes as wolfe mentioned. We can judge barca standards at a later time when the team looks a lot different than today.
 
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JamDav1982

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Richard.H said:
Jamdav I completely disagree with you and not sure why you are even debating this. Currently Brathwaite is far more effective in that front three than Griezmann and Coutinho. This is flat out embarrassing considering how much those two cost. This imaginary "Barca Standard" that you constantly mention has faded away in the last two seasons. We are in no position to claim if a player is barca standard or not. Those days are long past us. At this moment we should be very satisfied that the player is ticking the right boxes as wolfe mentioned. We can judge barca standards at a later time when the team looks a lot different than today.
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Effective at what?

You claimed he was a threat last night when had one shot he fluffed on front of goal, zero key passes and zero dribbles.

Not that Griezmann played well but he is far better on ball and more of a threat to opposition defence and it is not even close... assuming they both dont miss chances like last night.

Even game before he was nowhere near the threat to opposition as Griezmann was and lost the ball more than anyone bar Messi by a long way.

There is no 'imaginary standard' and players of standard are discussed every day.

The day Barca are 'very satisified' with a championship level player that runs about a lot and smiles is a sad time.
 
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feggydinho

Senior Member
Richard.H said:
Jamdav I completely disagree with you and not sure why you are even debating this. Currently Brathwaite is far more effective in that front three than Griezmann and Coutinho. This is flat out embarrassing considering how much those two cost. This imaginary "Barca Standard" that you constantly mention has faded away in the last two seasons. We are in no position to claim if a player is barca standard or not. Those days are long past us. At this moment we should be very satisfied that the player is ticking the right boxes as wolfe mentioned. We can judge barca standards at a later time when the team looks a lot different than today.
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Barca standard days are fading if not gone (even Anthony martial or Son would make a huge difference in our current squad) . I always wanted us to buy Raul Gimenez from wolves (he wouldve fit all the boxes for a 9)
 
jairzinho

jairzinho

Senior Member
Everyone knows he is not a ?Barca level? striker. However, in the current circumstances he should still start when necessary. Apart from the goals, we need someone up front that can give us different things; Holding up the ball on counters, occupying the center backs, dragging them out of position, creating space for others attackers behind him etc, getting on the end of crosses. When January comes we can look at some other options (Hopefully Not Depay). Maybe a more traditional 9 that can give us some of the things I just mentioned. This is how I see things.
 
FinBarcelonafan

FinBarcelonafan

Well-known member
jairzinho said:
Everyone knows he is not a ?Barca level? striker. However, in the current circumstances he should still start when necessary. Apart from the goals, we need someone up front that can give us different things; Holding up the ball on counters, occupying the center backs, dragging them out of position, creating space for others attackers behind him etc, getting on the end of crosses. When January comes we can look at some other options (Hopefully Not Depay). Maybe a more traditional 9 that can give us some of the things I just mentioned. This is how I see things.
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The problem is, who is better and available? Nobody.
 
serghei

serghei

Senior Member
Horatio said:
BTW..who else thinks Braithwaite reads the forums? Braith if you read this good luck out there!
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Let me put it this way. If it's a 1% chance somebody from Barca reads this forum, that guy is Braithwaite :lol:.

Hey Martin, if you read this, I like you dude. And don't listen to JamDav.
 
Horatio

Horatio

You're welcome
serghei said:
Let me put it this way. If it's a 1% chance somebody from Barca reads this forum, that guy is Braithwaite :lol:.

Hey Martin, if you read this, I like you dude. And don't listen to JamDav.
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My deductive skills estimate the chance of him reading the forums at 40%, which is relatively high.

a) Has good English skills
b) Seems good-spirited in general and would be able to handle the criticism
c) Like every other person has gone through COVID situation, thus at home on the couch with laptop on lap like most with way too much time on hands
d)Barcaforum most accessible English barcelona fan forum(reddit needs the app for the phone)
 
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