serghei
Senior Member
It has already began
Not even remotely close.
Mats Hummels
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Not even remotely close.
serghei
Senior Member
Doesnt change the fact that Barca has began transforming Atletico into their feeder club
With one 29 years old player that brought Atletico 40m. euros. You compare that with a free transfer like Lewadowski to Bayern, a 26 years striker in the prime of his career?
No. Transforming Atletico into your feeder club would be like signing Koke for free for example, because Koke wants to play for Real/Barca and refuses to sign an extension with Atletico. Or Jimenez.
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khaled_a_d
Senior Member
tbf he has a point .
In past years we had built strong connections with Other Liga clubs and it seems that deals happen smoothly .decade ago it took us 2 years to sign Alves .now we got player from Sevilla annually
We can sign players from Valencia too ,Arda was a star player in Atletico and we got him .and we have 1st option on two of their players so they can't sell them to other clubs without our approval
Lewa told BVB he wanted Bayern move b4 his contract is up and according to him they promised him that in 2013 .but after Gotze they changed their word .could have got them money if they agreed to sell
serghei
Senior Member
He doesn't have a point. And I tell you why.
1. Take Lewandowski to Bayern. That's Dortmund's best player going for a free transfer to Bayern. Dortmund basically made Lewandowski a world class player, and he brought 0 euros for that club, because the player didn't want to renew with Dortmund.
2. Now take Arda to Barca. Player at 29 years old, bringing 40m euros for Atletico to invest in other players. That's a profitable transfer for Atletico. How are Lewadowski or Hummels profitable transfers for Dortmund? I can't imagine Bayern paying the real value of Hummels, which in this market is something close to 50m euros.
3. In recent history, only 1 player from Atletico has been transfered by Barcelona (Arda Turan), and that transfer ended up being more profitable to Atletico, than for Barcelona (so far at least). And we can very well take into consideration the fact that Atletico was quite happy to receive 40m for Arda Turan.
If Atletico will give us Koke for free, and Jimenez for whatever price Bayern will pay for Hummels (if any), then we can say Atletico is a feeder club for Barcelona. Until then, signings like Turan to Barca is about equitable deals between two spanish clubs.
Would you say Real Sociedad is a feeder club for Madrid, because Madrid signed Illaramendi from them? Or a feeder club for Atletico because AM signed Griezmann?
If Lewa was a true character, he would have renewed with Dortmund and set a clause that he could go to Bayern if Bayern payed... say... 30m euros for him. But he didn't. If Dortmund would had let Lewa go at the end of 2013, they would have probably received a small sum, so they decided it's more important to keep him than take say 10-15m. from Bayern to release him a year earlier.
And about Alves. True, we did sign him. And made him the most expensive defender in history at that time. We don't rip off our main rivals. Didn't do it with Alves, didn't do it with Turan. If anything, Atletico ripped us off with the David Villa deal (3m euros!).
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khaled_a_d
Senior Member
1-Atletico sold Arda when he was 28 ,he also brought them 34M with incentive .and usually our incentives aren't too difficult to be paid (Vermaelen incentive for example is playing most games & winning 2CL) .
2-There were clubs interested in Arda ,he could have left somewhere else .but he was clear he wanted to move to Barca .he got his wish .Atletico didn't resist or tried to force him to EPL where he actually had some interest
3-Again ,Lewa could have got BVB money .he was told he was gonna be sold there and they broke their word so he fulfilled his contract and left . so the point of him bringing zero euro is mute .it was their choice ,not him
4-What is the whole profitable thing count for? Gotze deal right now look like a steal for BVB considering how he played with Bayern .hell good chance he could even be sold for less than what he is bought and frankly one of the clubs that could buy him is BVB themselves
I am not really pointing just to Atletico ,but La Liga right now has been our market .you can bet on us buying from most clubs with ease . clubs won't really try to force players to a foreign league when we come asking
Obviously that doesn't make us totally as Bayern since clubs like RM & Espanyol would never sell to us and Bilbao and Sociedad will just tell you or anyone to pay buyout or shut up
But clubs like Valencia,Villarreal ,Sevilla and to some extent won't mind dealing with Barca at all
xavi_the_Boss
New member
Doesnt change the fact that Barca has began transforming Atletico into their feeder club
No.Sevilla is our feeder club.
serghei
Senior Member
1. Arda Turan is a fair transfer for both teams.
2. Players can go where hey want, but the clubs should be payed what these players are worth, as it was the case with Turan.
3. I'm talking about the value of Lewandowski, the fair sum. As I said, Dortmund would have probably got some pocket change, so they decided it's not worth it. Lewadowski fucked Dortmund either way. All he wanted is to play for Bayern, didn't care if Dortmund got payed or not.
4. The profitable thing is not really that important, true. What matters is how these players are rated at the point of the sale. Gotze was probably rated 45-50m. euros at the point of the sale. Bayern got him for 37 or so. A little lower, but still about right. That's a fair transfer I think for Dortmund. Lewandowski left Dortmund because he wanted to play for Bayern and exploited the fact that he had 1 year left of his contract to make a sweet deal for him and Bayern. Now Hummels is doing the same thing, publicly forcing his way out by saying, under contract with Dortmund, that he wants to play for Bayern. He totally disrespects Dortmund, as if they are a small club compared with the mighty Bayern.
I'm talking about Dortmund here, 2 times German champions under Klopp and CL finalists. They are supposed to be like Atletico at least for Bayern. Never mind Real Madrid, a level of opposition so high that Bayern will probably never face in Germany.
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El Flaco
Active member
No.Sevilla is our feeder club.
Of course, but they're not a rival for the Liga title.
Which Dortmund is for Bayern in BL.
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Jamie Cal
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Atleti absolutely aren't our feeder just because the 2 clubs might have good relations. Arda forced himself out because he wanted a change, we didn't instigate that. It's not as if we twisted their arm over the deal like we did Cesc or anything like that.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
So Kicker reported that after all the hoopla involving Hummels and Bayern recently he might decide to stay at BVB after all and BVB has prepared a contract to extend him through 2021.
Personally I think the chances of him staying are pretty slim given that he is fed up with how the club approached the whole thing and how some fans turned against him. But if he ends up staying, more power to him, Kapitän.
Personally I think the chances of him staying are pretty slim given that he is fed up with how the club approached the whole thing and how some fans turned against him. But if he ends up staying, more power to him, Kapitän.
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Jamie Cal
Guest
Well, if he was just doing it for a better contract, he would have to make it look convincing that he'd leave, but I doubt he'll stay.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
No, it wasn't Hummels who publicized the whole shebang it was BVB (because they are a publicly trade company so they need to minimize negative impact on their stocks brought by sudden revelations of key players leaving like Goetze did three seasons ago), Hummels himself wasn't happy about it at all.
I don't doubt that Hummels wanted to go join Bayern. And the fact of the matter is, Hoeness confirmed that Bayern did approach him before.
Now he has a clear price tag (I believe is 38m), it is up to Bayern to take it or leave it.
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