Mats Hummels

[Trafalgar]

Traitor ? this is football guys not Games of thrones, you're taking it too far.

 

[Donauwelle]

Thanks.

With regard to Hummels, just two things: (1) Bayern did knock on his doors and (2) no idea why he all of sudden made a 180 turn after all the remarks after Goetze and Lewandowski joined Bayern.

Not a genuine person in my opinion.

BVB has been a rival since maybe 2011. Last year Wolfsburg was the biggest rival. The Neuer story was not better even if Schalke was far away from Bayern.

In Germany it does not really matter from who Bayern buys a player apart from maybe some real underdog. It is always the same theatre...

Vidal with Leverkusen, Gomez with Stuttgart, Neuer with Schalke...

As I told - I think there is more behind that story with Hummels and his connection with Dortmund and maybe Tuchel. Do not forget he was captain there. If there were tensions between some players and Hummels or Tuchel and Hummels it might be convenient for the club if he leaves now especially if they can cash in for him. Hummels is not really an easy person to live with...

And the knock on doors - his father is his agent and you could often find him on the Bayern training grounds in the recent year and he is close again to a lot of his former colleagues. Yes, there were problems some years ago - but that is old stuff that seems not to count anymore today.

 

[6 Ballons for Messi]

Traitor ? this is football guys not Games of thrones, you're taking it too far.

He could have made any other move literally, most top teams would splash their cash to sign him, it's not like he was forced to go to bayern, so he's a traitor.

 

[Trafalgar]

He could have made any other move literally, most top teams would splash their cash to sign him, it's not like he was forced to go to bayern, so he's a traitor.

Sorry not to me , and any other moves ? what move exactly ? Manchester United ? The guy wants glory you cant blame him.

 

[Jamie Cal]

Traitor ? this is football guys not Games of thrones, you're taking it too far.

Kind of agree. It's a logical move, a clear step up in his career to a club that'll always be a semi finalist in the CL.

 

[Question17]

Sure they are not the kind of bitter rivals like us vs. Real Madrid, but BVB has been the biggest competitor to Bayern in Bundesliga for quite some time and there is no indication that this is going to change. This is not like us and Atletico at all. Plus, Atletico and us have maintained pretty cordial relations over the years. We sold David Villa to them for peanuts, remember? And we reportedly still have first options on several Atletico players, Saul being one of them.

Usually the word traitor in regards to soccer players is used for players who specifically disregard a former clubs culture and obliviously do thing like give pc one liners about the new club, kiss the new badge, while going from clubs like celtic to rangers, inter ac, real Barca. They are not rivals this is just a business transfer. Borussia has Schalke and Bayern still has an image to uphold of being a quasi FC Germany so a player like Hummels naturally fits that type of transfer.

 

[Yannik]

Usually the move from Dortmund to Schalke (or vice versa) is considered treachery. Comparing Bayern transfers with traitors now is a pretty new thing. Apart from sportive rivalry, there's not really some background-story or actual rivalry between them. Just two clubs who randomly spawned into the same league and just happen to see each others often in recent finals. And Bayern is the better team of them, so a move to them is kind of a career upgrade which is what almost everyone looks for. The only thing you'd blame him for is the lack of a spine he showed in respect to his former criticism for Götze. He then replicates the same move. I'd be pissed about that too when someone from my club did this.

He could have made any other move literally, most top teams would splash their cash to sign him, it's not like he was forced to go to bayern, so he's a traitor.

Most german players do not really seek to leave the country. It's not that bad here after all.

 

[Luftstalag14]

BVB has been a rival since maybe 2011. Last year Wolfsburg was the biggest rival. The Neuer story was not better even if Schalke was far away from Bayern.

In Germany it does not really matter from who Bayern buys a player apart from maybe some real underdog. It is always the same theatre...

Vidal with Leverkusen, Gomez with Stuttgart, Neuer with Schalke...

As I told - I think there is more behind that story with Hummels and his connection with Dortmund and maybe Tuchel. Do not forget he was captain there. If there were tensions between some players and Hummels or Tuchel and Hummels it might be convenient for the club if he leaves now especially if they can cash in for him. Hummels is not really an easy person to live with...

And the knock on doors - his father is his agent and you could often find him on the Bayern training grounds in the recent year and he is close again to a lot of his former colleagues. Yes, there were problems some years ago - but that is old stuff that seems not to count anymore today.

So the outrage of Bayern undermining BVB only comes from overseas fans?

Wow, I guess DennyCrane is right. As long as Bayern represents Germany well in the CL and gets the co-efficient up for Bundesliga, nobody cares.

Usually the word traitor in regards to soccer players is used for players who specifically disregard a former clubs culture and obliviously do thing like give pc one liners about the new club, kiss the new badge, while going from clubs like celtic to rangers, inter ac, real Barca. They are not rivals this is just a business transfer. Borussia has Schalke and Bayern still has an image to uphold of being a quasi FC Germany so a player like Hummels naturally fits that type of transfer.

You missed the point. It is not any BVB player. It is Hummels, the guy who has been badmouthing Bayern for the last several years, the guy who ridiculed Goetze and Lewandowski for ditching BVB for Bayern joined Bayern in the end.

The irony. He was slapped in the face by it.

In addition, this is the third time in 4 years that BVB has lost a key player to Bayern. Friggin' 3rd time in 4 years.

If Bayern fans can be bitter to Kroos for leaving Bayern for Real Madrid, BVB fans have 100 times more reasons to be much more upset that 3 of their players left BVB for Bayern in 4 years.

 

[6 Ballons for Messi]

Usually the move from Dortmund to Schalke (or vice versa) is considered treachery. Comparing Bayern transfers with traitors now is a pretty new thing. Apart from sportive rivalry, there's not really some background-story or actual rivalry between them. Just two clubs who randomly spawned into the same league and just happen to see each others often in recent finals. And Bayern is the better team of them, so a move to them is kind of a career upgrade which is what almost everyone looks for. The only thing you'd blame him for is the lack of a spine he showed in respect to his former criticism for Götze. He then replicates the same move. I'd be pissed about that too when someone from my club did this.



Most german players do not really seek to leave the country. It's not that bad here after all.

He's a traitor.

 

[Yannik]

So the outrage of Bayern undermining BVB only comes from overseas fans?

There is no such thing as a border to a public opinion. Some people think Bayern undermine BVB and then go on an outrage, and others don't. Both can be from germany or from overseas, doesn't matter.

 

[raskolnikov]

Thats what I mean, German clubs have an inferiority complex towards Bayern like Morten said. In the long run its better for the bundesliga when clubs show ambition and stand up towards them more.
If you do it and it fails at least you tried, if you do nothing Bayern win the league the next decade as well. So there is nothing to lose unless its all just strictly business without any ambition towards trophies.
A club like Dortmund with their fanbase is capable and deserves better than this imo.

 

[Messi983]

Traitor ? this is football guys not Games of thrones, you're taking it too far.

I also wouldn't call him a traitor, because he moved back to his childhood club and closer to his family. But he's a hypocrite after what he said when some of his former teammates joined Bayern. Then again, most of the footballers are like that so I don't really give a sh... what they are saying in the media.

 

[Galning]

Please try not to triple/quadruple post.

Good move for Bayern. Top defender, and pretty cheap too.

 

[Yannik]

Thats what I mean, German clubs have an inferiority complex towards Bayern like Morten said. In the long run its better for the bundesliga when clubs show ambition and stand up towards them more.
If you do it and it fails at least you tried, if you do nothing Bayern win the league the next decade as well. So there is nothing to lose unless its all just strictly business without any ambition towards trophies.
A club like Dortmund with their fanbase is capable and deserves better than this imo.

yeah right, obviously everyone sells their players on purpose.

 

[Alarcón]

6 Ballons really takes the cake with his arguments. Yannik wrote several sentences arguing why Hummels joining Bayern doesn't make him a traitor and all 6 Ballons says is 'he's a traitor'. Funny that the people insulting Hummels the most are exclusively not German, otherwise they'd know Bayern and Dortmund do not have a rivalry at all, they just happen to be the 2 best teams in Germany right now. Would you consider Arda joining us treachery? Because that was about the same.

And anyway, why would Hummels go out of his way to leave his home country and join an English club that probably won't win anything internationally if he can just stay in Germany at one of the 3 best clubs in the world? Honestly, can someone with actual logic argue this? The man has a life outside of crazy football fans' heads, he would most likely have a lower quality of life there apart from less sporting success, and he would take all this upon him just to please some fans? Lol.