raskolnikov
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Just a backstabbin traitor like the rest of them.
Mats Hummels
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raskolnikov
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I dont get why German clubs dont stand up for themselves more. Make it clear you will not sell to Bayern no matter what. Promote your club as anti Bayern and make a legit attempt to kill their hegemony. Dortmund can definitely do it, they were doing it before they got picked apart.
Become the other top club in Germany. Player wants to leave he can have 3 options: 1. go abroad for a heavy fee, 2. rethink and resign, 3. let his contract run out and made to jog around the pitch for a year and play ball boy before the ultras in every home game and suffer abuse.
they are way to friendly and defeatist about it. "oh Lewandowski wants to go to Bayern, our rival despite that we are equally good and he can go to any club." Its his dream to earn a few million more so we are happy about him walking away for free, lets aplaud that man for his honesty".
"Oh Götze announced to BAyern a day before a cl final, well its not nice but he is a Bayern fan and we gett paid so everybody wins, huzzah!".
At least with Hummels they got a little angry but still nowhere near close, there should be a sale in pig heads during that cup final.
Become the other top club in Germany. Player wants to leave he can have 3 options: 1. go abroad for a heavy fee, 2. rethink and resign, 3. let his contract run out and made to jog around the pitch for a year and play ball boy before the ultras in every home game and suffer abuse.
they are way to friendly and defeatist about it. "oh Lewandowski wants to go to Bayern, our rival despite that we are equally good and he can go to any club." Its his dream to earn a few million more so we are happy about him walking away for free, lets aplaud that man for his honesty".
"Oh Götze announced to BAyern a day before a cl final, well its not nice but he is a Bayern fan and we gett paid so everybody wins, huzzah!".
At least with Hummels they got a little angry but still nowhere near close, there should be a sale in pig heads during that cup final.
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MaxY
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It's not good . He's a 27 top defender, I can bet my ass that the likes of Barca,Real and EPL clubs would play 50-60 M for him.
DennyCrane
Senior Member
Yes, but Hummels specifically wanted to go to Munich because of his family. At least he said so.
First off, I agree 100 %.
I could go on a 10000 word piece to try to outline how this is basically a cultural thing, just lacking time though, but I can tell you this: The spirit of healthy competition and conflict in my country, be it regarding sports, economics, culture or politics, is dead and buried, and that reflects in the attitudes of people and institutions. Not offending or rubbing someone the wrong way, an obedience to pseudo-etiquette and authority and generally keeping your head down and not rocking the boat is seen as a virtue here these days. Therefore, being a sympathetic loser (in the long run) seems to be a legitimate goal for clubs as public institutions.
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Luftstalag14
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It doesn't work like that in real world, I think.
First off, BVB had no choice with Goetze and Lewandowski and they did the best they could. With Goetze, Bayern triggered the buy-out, what could BVB have done differently? Nothing. As I was telling Yannik yesterday, yes they should have set a higher buyout to fend off Bayern but Goetze probably did not agree to that higher fee. With Lewandowski, BVB did not sell Lewandowski to Bayern. Despite the fact that he wanted to leave in 2013, BVB insisted that he saw out his contract, which ended in summer 2014. He went to Bayern for free on his own will. They way BVB handled Hummels did make me very disappointed and angry because if there was another suitor, BVB should have or could have sold him to that club instead of Bayern. The question is, was there another club going after Hummels? We certainly did not approach him, according to Hummels himself. I think what was happening was Hummels told BVB he would not extend his contract and declared his wish to go join Bayern, and because there was no other suitors, BVB thought the best course of action was to sell him for a relatively high fee to Bayern right now instead of letting him walk for free next summer.
The thing is, I don't think most Bundesliga clubs have any incentives to have an anti-Bayern clause. They are not on the same level with Bayern. Just like no other La Liga clubs other than Real Madrid have a clause against us. They don't care if Bayern wins the next 50 Buli titles. They have different objectives from us fans. Heck, some clubs even throw their games against Bayern (like what happened with Bremen this season), they know they are going to lose to Bayern and they don't fuck care, their eyes are on the next game.
Devils
Senior Member
Bayern are scum, but BvB are equally scum for making it so easy for Bayern.
BvB don't have to bend over for Bayern in the same way Spurs refuse to sell players to EPL top teams. Spurs make it incredibly difficult for EPL teams to sign their players to the extent that most wont even bother trying, same can be said with Bilbao in Spain...why can't BvB do the same?
But yeah, fuck BvB and fuck Hummels. They aren't victims in this. Shame they didn't keep their relegation form for the entire season last year. Would have loved to see them go down.
BvB don't have to bend over for Bayern in the same way Spurs refuse to sell players to EPL top teams. Spurs make it incredibly difficult for EPL teams to sign their players to the extent that most wont even bother trying, same can be said with Bilbao in Spain...why can't BvB do the same?
But yeah, fuck BvB and fuck Hummels. They aren't victims in this. Shame they didn't keep their relegation form for the entire season last year. Would have loved to see them go down.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
In each of the three situations (Goetze, Lewandowski, Hummels), what would you have done differently if you were Watzke?
Devils
Senior Member
We can speculate all we want on the situations but:
Gotze: Established player at BvB (definitely amongst top 3 most important players during the season he left) who still had a ridiculous buyout of 35 million. Keep in mind, a lot of people characterized Gotze as a world class player during that season at BvB. Why not try increase his buyout after 3 season? Most clubs increase buyouts after 1 season of good performances. It's globally known that Bayern don't like spending more than 40m on players. And to announce and agree to the deal RIGHT before the CL final? Absolutely ridiculous.
Lewandowski: top 3 striker in the world, plenty of interest all across Europe. Many clubs would have come for him the year before his contract had expired if he was put on the market. BvB didn't have to keep him because they knew he was not going to renew. Good management should know AT LEAST 2 years before a players contract expires whether or not they will renew or not because negotiating contract should begin 2 years before the contract expires. BvB management had 2 years before Lewandowski to Bayern happened....that tells me that either they have horrendous player management or that they were more than willing to stand aside and let him end up at Bayern. Either way it was pathetic.
Hummels: Same could apply to the above.
Many clubs have stipulations to prevent direct competitors from signing their players, whether it be high buyout clauses, anti-team sale clauses in contracts (like Real does to us), develop better player retention policies or just straight up refuse to negotiate (like Spurs, Bilbao, PSG etc...). And even before that they should know what to do with these players 2-3 years before their actual contract expires. BvB doesn't do any of this, which gives the impression that they are more than happy to give their players to Bayern.
I'm not saying that Gotze, Lewa or Hummels wouldn't have ended up at Bayern if BvB implemented these tactics. I'm saying it would have made it much more difficult for Bayern to come in a take their best players.
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barcafan161
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don't like how dortmund make it so easy for bayern
Donauwelle
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Götze - the contract with the release clause was made at the time Reus came to Dortmund in spring 2012. Götze then had a contract running out 2013 or 2014 and his management only was willling to make a new contract with the clause attached. If they would not have made that new contract Götze could have gone for free in 2013 or 2014...
Lewandowski was in contract talks with Dortmund since 2 years. But Dortmund did not offer him a good contract with the argument that they cannot make a foreigner to earn the most in their club... Somewhen the contract talks stopped. Lewy was not allowed to leave in 2012 because Kagawa left. He seems to have had a vocal agreement with Dortmund that he can transfer to Bayern in 2013 - until the Götze story happened. They would have let him go to another club - but Lewy did not want to. He did not want to go to other clubs like e.g. Real who badly wanted him then.
Hummels - I have the feeling that there is more to the story than they want to tell. There might be other reasons why Hummels wants to leave. But the Hummels transfer seems to have been an open secret for a while because some pundits tell that Hummels already has his first residency in Munich since a year and they weren't really surprised.
Lewandowski was in contract talks with Dortmund since 2 years. But Dortmund did not offer him a good contract with the argument that they cannot make a foreigner to earn the most in their club... Somewhen the contract talks stopped. Lewy was not allowed to leave in 2012 because Kagawa left. He seems to have had a vocal agreement with Dortmund that he can transfer to Bayern in 2013 - until the Götze story happened. They would have let him go to another club - but Lewy did not want to. He did not want to go to other clubs like e.g. Real who badly wanted him then.
Hummels - I have the feeling that there is more to the story than they want to tell. There might be other reasons why Hummels wants to leave. But the Hummels transfer seems to have been an open secret for a while because some pundits tell that Hummels already has his first residency in Munich since a year and they weren't really surprised.
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Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
Thanks.
With regard to Hummels, just two things: (1) Bayern did knock on his doors and (2) no idea why he all of sudden made a 180 turn after all the remarks after Goetze and Lewandowski joined Bayern.
Not a genuine person in my opinion.
Question17
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While I agree that all your best players going to the most successful team in your league is far from ideal, they are not some sort of special "rivals" that culture and etiquette would make transfers very heated/impossible. Is Atleti Madrid somehow Barcelona's rival now too if thats the case with Bayern Dortmund? Is Arda a traitor who will get the Louis Figo reception because anyone who is currently successful is now a rival?
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
Sure they are not the kind of bitter rivals like us vs. Real Madrid, but BVB has been the biggest competitor to Bayern in Bundesliga for quite some time and there is no indication that this is going to change. This is not like us and Atletico at all. Plus, Atletico and us have maintained pretty cordial relations over the years. We sold David Villa to them for peanuts, remember? And we reportedly still have first options on several Atletico players, Saul being one of them.
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