Mavericky Puig

[JamDav1982]

Alena has gone from la masia gem treated poorly to a shit player very quickly from those that over rate la masia players and attack coaches.

Puig will be better off out on loan playing each week than 5th choice in this squad if that is where Koeman sees it.

 

[serghei]

You do not teach players in our Academy to play football the Barca way, only to tell them at 20 to go prove they can play Granada-ball. What's the fucking point. You do that with players who prove they don't have a high enough level to play at the club. Puig has proved almost every time he played that he makes a difference.

You yourself said he was finding veterans with tough passes flat-footed because nobody else managed to find them while they were resting and not moving. That's a unique quality to have that need not be dispensed of.

If that is the road Koeman is taking. Sacrificing real talent for the future hoping to maybe bag a trophy this year to earn himself an extra year with the new board, he is going down Valverde's route.

 

[Alik]

Alena has gone from la masia gem treated poorly to a shit player very quickly from those that over rate la masia players and attack coaches.

Puig will be better off out on loan playing each week than 5th choice in this squad if that is where Koeman sees it.

I don't mind Puig going off on loan to get game time. Selling him would be horrible though.

 

[JamDav1982]

I don't mind Puig going off on loan to get game time. Selling him would be horrible though.

Both he and Pedri would be better on loan than warming bench to get dead minutes to try and keep fans happy.

The way it is heading Koeman sees FDJ/Pjanic/Busi and probably Roberto if sign a RB as the deeper mids and Messi/Griezmann/Coutinho/Trincao/Dembele/Fati as front three.

Although with that front six not quite sure why Depay is being chased.

 

[JamDav1982]

You do not teach players in our Academy to play football the Barca way, only to tell them at 20 to go prove they can play Granada-ball. What's the fucking point. You do that with players who prove they don't have a high enough level to play at the club. Puig has proved almost every time he played that he makes a difference.

You yourself said he was finding veterans with tough passes flat-footed because nobody else managed to find them while they were resting and not moving. That's a unique quality to have that need not be dispensed of.

If that is the road Koeman is taking. Sacrificing real talent for the future hoping to maybe bag a trophy this year to earn himself an extra year with the new board, he is going down Valverde's route.

I said 'if that is how Koeman sees it' he is better off for his own career playing each week than in stands.

 

[serghei]

I said 'if that is how Koeman sees it' he is better off for his own career playing each week than in stands.

But we were all hoping that is not how Koeman will see it. That's the problem. It's disappointing to act like that. I'm worried authority is all he'll have without the brains and managerial skill to back that up.

 

[JamDav1982]

But we were all hoping that is not how Koeman will see it. That's the problem.

Two different arguments. I would rather see Puig in squad than Busi but IF that is how Koeman sees it and has let Puig know he doesnt see him fitting then he would be better off on loan than in stands.

If Puig is the player people seem to think he will have a lot of options and should play a part in choosing what club he feels fits best.

Personally would rather see as many playing or on loan as possible to give most options in a years time.

 

[Porque]

I thought I posted this already but I may have forgot to press send, or posted in the wrong thread.

Marca report that Koeman has also recommended Pedri and Alena to go on loan as they will struggle for minutes this season.

So it is not just Puig that he doesn't count on but all 3. It seems he preferred Alena as a backup partly because he can fit the DMC role easier but also because he has less ceiling to hold back with few minutes.

 

[serghei]

Two different arguments. I would rather see Puig in squad than Busi but IF that is how Koeman sees it and has let Puig know he doesnt see him fitting then he would be better off on loan than in stands.

If Puig is the player people seem to think he will have a lot of options and should play a part in choosing what club he feels fits best.

That is not necessarily true for all players. Some players are very right for you, and not so right for teams playing a totally different game. For example, if you put him in some relegation team that defends all game, Puig will neither develop, nor play very much. Because his main skills are more useful for teams who try to dominate the game.

There are many factors involved. It's not as easy as saying, we'll if he's any good, he should go to "insert team" and prove it.

 

[JamDav1982]

That is not necessarily true for all players. Some players are very right for you, and not so right for teams playing a totally different game.

Yet folk complain that Barca play amongst the least Barca like football in comparison to other teams. So should not be an issue.

Good players fit and only teams that see him as fitting would come in for him.

 

[George_Costanza]

I thought I posted this already but I may have forgot to press send, or posted in the wrong thread.

Marca report that Koeman has also recommended Pedri and Alena to go on loan as they will struggle for minutes this season.

So it is not just Puig that he doesn't count on but all 3. It seems he preferred Alena as a backup partly because he can fit the DMC role easier but also because he has less ceiling to hold back with few minutes.

Edit: Sorry the reply was for Jamdav

Why send our best MFs into loan? Can you tell me who was better than Puig since he started playing for the first team? Not sure if you watched any of the games since the start of pandemic but if we implement meritocracy, Puig should be ahead of everyone including FDJ. The kid won multiple MOTM since he started playing for the first team, and I would go far by saying if that coward QS played Puig and Fati, we wouldn't get humiliated by Bayern.

You guys have issues against youngsters, or inexpensive signings. Just watch them play without any prejudgment.

 

[gasgas]

Puig moves well and passes well.
He is not physical, can't defend, can't score.

Alena is less technical, more physical, can defend better, can score.

Alena is more of a goalscoring threat as one of 4 attackers in 4231.

Puig scored 2 goals in Barca B career.
Alena scored 18.

I know, but but but: Puig's job is not to score.
Well, in Koeman's 4231, 2 pivots are more like workhorses/defenders and 4 attackers are creative-scorers.
There is no room for Puig's type in 4231.

He is Iniesta's type for 433, the most advanced Cm, who don't have to defend and who connects midfield and attack.

In 4231, he can't play a defensive double pivot, lol.
And he is too sterile for being an attacker.
His skills are "between" defense and midfield, something which 4231 don't need that much.

And as others have said, Coutinho is a Cam, who just won a CL.
Messi is a Cam.
Griezz, a world cup winner.
Plus, Pedri whom all coaches rate higher than Puig.
He is way younger, way more 1st division exerience, more of an all rounder and more physical.

You guys act as if we got rid of prime Iniesta and not a 21 years old guy with weak physique who played 5 senior matches in his life.

I am not sure that he will be a starter in any midtable La liga club, the same as Samper, Alena and Halilovic before him.

Have you seen Puig defend?

Have you seen Alena defend?

Or to you it's all about height ey, if the player is taller then he is more physical and better defensively.

To you itakuwa Gomes is a better defensively and more physical than Kante

 

[ini4ever]

I thought I posted this already but I may have forgot to press send, or posted in the wrong thread.

Marca report that Koeman has also recommended Pedri and Alena to go on loan as they will struggle for minutes this season.

So it is not just Puig that he doesn't count on but all 3. It seems he preferred Alena as a backup partly because he can fit the DMC role easier but also because he has less ceiling to hold back with few minutes.

So team's average age going to be +29 like last season lol.

 

[fergus90]

A loan would be fine if Puig wasn?t adding some much needed dynamism in a very, very stale team. It also struck me that Koeman said it had been decided a few weeks ago that it?s gonna be tough for him to play.

So it seems he had his idea for a line up before he even began looking at the state of the squad.

 

[BusiTheKing]

Puig moves well and passes well.
He is not physical, can't defend, can't score.

Alena is less technical, more physical, can defend better, can score.

Alena is more of a goalscoring threat as one of 4 attackers in 4231.

Puig scored 2 goals in Barca B career.
Alena scored 18.

I know, but but but: Puig's job is not to score.
Well, in Koeman's 4231, 2 pivots are more like workhorses/defenders and 4 attackers are creative-scorers.
There is no room for Puig's type in 4231.

He is Iniesta's type for 433, the most advanced Cm, who don't have to defend and who connects midfield and attack.

In 4231, he can't play a defensive double pivot, lol.
And he is too sterile for being an attacker.
His skills are "between" defense and midfield, something which 4231 don't need that much.

And as others have said, Coutinho is a Cam, who just won a CL.
Messi is a Cam.
Griezz, a world cup winner.
Plus, Pedri whom all coaches rate higher than Puig.
He is way younger, way more 1st division exerience, more of an all rounder and more physical.

You guys act as if we got rid of prime Iniesta and not a 21 years old guy with weak physique who played 5 senior matches in his life.

I am not sure that he will be a starter in any midtable La liga club, the same as Samper, Alena and Halilovic before him.

The midfielder roles in any system are far more similar than they are different. When the team has the ball, the role is to progress it towards attack and when the opponents have the ball, the role is to defend. Saying that the most attacking midifelder in a 4-3-3 doesn't really have to defend is just not true at all - of course they do. There is a slight adjustment in how they should defend (base positioning, marking responsibilities) but that's it. And saying that transitioning from midfield to attack isn't really important in a 4-2-3-1 is ridiculous as well. They're playing the same fucking game. Slightly adjusting the positioning of three players on the middle of the pitch doesn't change the entire dynamics of football.