Mavericky Puig

[serghei]

So, Khaled, most of your examples with "hero" players are prime Messi and Ronaldo? Yea, those are once in a life-time level players.

Liverpool sacrifice nobody. They don't play with a "hero" player around which their game is built. This was proven very well when they beat us 4-0 playing exactly the same without both Firmino and Salah. Firmino is just not a high scoring player, and better at link-up play than at being a commander of the attacking line. He is also not as quick as Mane and Salah. He is played to his strenghts.

 

[Rory]

Puig is definitely a dangerous player to bring on. Someone who is willing to try and beat his man and is usually looking for a dangerous forward pass, and not just that but an early pass too. He's not being hailed as the next great bbz just simply a good player for our squad.

 

[serghei]

If you want to play 4141 in the last 30 minutes, aren't there 1001 more lethal options in terms of scoring goals before using Puig?

1. Cf Suarez + Cams Messi, Cou
2. Cf Suarez + Messi, Griezz
3. Cf Suarez + Cou, Griezz
4. Cf Suarez + Messi, Pjanic
5. Cf Suarez + Cou, Pjanic
6. Cf Suarez + Griezz, Pjanic
7. Cf Messi + Cou, Griezz
8. Cf Messi + Cou, Pjanic
9. Cf Messi + Griezz, Pjanic
10. Cf Braithwaite + Messi, Cou
11. Cf Braith + Messi, Griezz
12. Cf Braith + Cou, Griezz
13. Cf Braith + Messi, Pjanic
14. Cf Braith + Cou, Pjanic
15. Cf Braith + Griezz, Pjanic
16. Cf Griezz + Messi, Cou
17. Cf Griezz + Messi, Pjanic
18. Cf Griezz + Cou, Pjanic
19. Cf Ansu + Messi, Cou
20. Cf Ansu + Messi, Griezz
21. Cf Ansu + Cou, Griezz
22. Cf Ansu + Messi, Pjanic
23. Cf Ansu + Cou, Pjanic
24. Cf Ansu + Griezz, Pjanic

This is all WITHOUT Wijnaldum, Pedri, Alena, Vidal as Cam options in 4141.

So, you literally have 1001 deadlier options than Puig in 4141.

No, because you don't just ram balls forward. You need quality service in conditions of less space. You need players who will play decisive balls and find needle passes in conditions where other players will just pass the responsibility and waste time doing so. Puig is great at that.

When you need a goal, taking out 1 player in the double pivot, and putting in an energetic passer like Puig is a great option.

 

[vegitot]

He will go on loan. Physique is matter after all. For some reason Fati is bigger than him. And is he still 56 kg???

 

[khaled_a_d]

So, Khaled, most of your examples with "hero" players are prime Messi and Ronaldo? Yea, those are once in a life-time level players.

Liverpool sacrifice nobody. They don't play with a "hero" player around which their game is built. This was proven very well when they beat us 4-0 playing exactly the same without both Firmino and Salah. Firmino is just not a high scoring player, and better at link-up play than at being a commander of the attacking line. He is also not as quick as Mane and Salah. He is played to his strenghts.

When did I said "hero" ball?
And Di Maria is a life-time players
those are examples of players having to sacrifice part of their games to their teammates. You are cherry picking Serghei
I stated some obvious examples, but ot goes this way in every team with many players, not just one.

 

[vegitot]

Saying Puig can not provide output is totally wrong. 2 assits, 3 big chances created against Alaves (excluding Messi, only Suarez did that since 2018).

He has quality to play. Though recently his passing is off (u21 and two friendly games)

 

[KingLeo10]

I don't see why people are wasting so much time debating. At this point, the club has deep rooted systemic issues like a United, Juve, and soon the Milan teams.

We might be in for many years of mediocrity like the past 2-3 years (except mostly no LL either).

 

[BBZ8800]

Saying Puig can not provide output is totally wrong. 2 assits, 3 big chances created against Alaves (excluding Messi, only Suarez did that since 2018).

He has quality to play. Though recently his passing is off (u21 and two friendly games)

Arthur had 4-5 goals and 4-5 assists during 10 matches of his life in October of 2019.

He is still shit.

Puig was given a free role at Barca B and still scored only 2 goals in his career against extremely bad opponents.

Messi, Cou, Griezz, Vidal, Pjanic, Alena are regular scorers, for example.

It is not as if Puig is bad.
But he has a lot of flaws.
Can't score, can't defend, teen physique, his position doesn't exist in 4231, 5-6 players at his position.

He is good at running with the ball, passes and adding some energy in dying minutes.
That's it for now.

 

[soul24rage]

He is good at running with the ball, passes and adding some energy in dying minutes.

Still don't see why Koeman can use that as an option.

DJ and Pjanic starts -> We need more intensity and space will open up in the 2nd half -> Sub out Pjanic for Puig -> Move DJ to a more 'hold the position' role and let Puig do the ball-carrying role.

 

[vegitot]

Still don't see why Koeman can use that as an option.

DJ and Pjanic starts -> We need more intensity and space will open up in the 2nd half -> Sub out Pjanic for Puig -> Move DJ to a more 'hold the position' role and let Puig do the ball-carrying role.

Probably he thinks attackers will do that.

 

[snowy]

The K-man should do this. Organize a televised friendly between

Ansu/Hiroki - Messi - Trink/Demb
Puig/Konrad - Pedri/Moriba
Frenkie
Firpo/Gustavo - Araujo - Todibo - Moussa
Neto

VS

Couti - Suarez - Griezz
Busi - Pjanic - Vidal
Alba - Lenglet - Pique - Semedo
MaTS​

Puig would get the fan's likes in even shitty teams. Why? cuz he moves to the beat of his own drum. For instance, Neymar and Sancho also have it (Rik Sonja's not on their level but still...)

Something I'd like to see more of top players like Camavinga and Havertz for instance, who sometimes lack that extra spark of irreverance and audacity. They're too respectful of their mates and don't do enough hero-ball hehe Look at the Rennes game yesterday. Camavinga was making those smart quick passes and expecting a quick return to drive the ball forward but the other idiot fucked it up. That sucks!

Lulu Piggie is more pro-active and keen to take risks. Now that's cool! Even when the Vets were playing slow-mo, zzzzzzzzz tse-tse side-pass yawnball, he was injecting speed and forward momentum. His dummy passes alone can make a bunch of players look like petrified mommies. And then, he's got

Dribbling: check.
Run with the ball: check
Vision and Flair: check
Footwork: check
Boldness: Yeah Baby!
Agility: check
Stamina: check
Technique: check
Anticipation and reaction: check
Reading of the game: check

Fragility: send girlie-man on buff mission to train with the Barbarian Hordes

Anyways, are we even sure coach has final say as to which players to field on any given day? Why so many coaches in succession been favoring the vets? Something's amiss

 

[vegitot]

Arthur had 4-5 goals and 4-5 assists during 10 matches of his life in October of 2019.

He is still shit.

Puig was given a free role at Barca B and still scored only 2 goals in his career against extremely bad opponents.

Messi, Cou, Griezz, Vidal, Pjanic, Alena are regular scorers, for example.

It is not as if Puig is bad.
But he has a lot of flaws.
Can't score, can't defend, teen physique, his position doesn't exist in 4231, 5-6 players at his position.

He is good at running with the ball, passes and adding some energy in dying minutes.
That's it for now.

Arthur is not as creative as Puig.
Puig is weak at scoring but there are more for a midfielder. Good dribbler, high stamina, hard pressing.

 

[CatalinR10]

Puig is the best midfielder we have after FDJ , anyone else who doesn't agree is a hater who would want Puig to DIE.


Don't even try to prove otherwise dawgs.

 

[vegitot]

Ok tough question: Why doesnt Puig bulk up? Is it that hard? I dont think so. I see many guys are skinny like Puig, go to the gym, train and eat properly for couple of months and they are way bigger, stronger than before. So i dont think a proffessional player in Europe can not bulk up. Maybe he just does not like it. If so, Coutinho should give him some advices.

 

[BusiTheKing]

Ok tough question: Why doesnt Puig bulk up? Is it that hard? I dont think so. I see many guys are skinny like Puig, go to the gym, train and eat properly for couple of months and they are way bigger, stronger than before. So i dont think a proffessional player in Europe can not bulk up. Maybe he just does not like it. If so, Coutinho should give him some advices.

Because it's not a fucking issue. Look at him play. He held is own fine against a team like Atleti. At no point have I watched him play and complained about his lack of muscle.

You think these mesomorphic players look ripped just because they need to wrestle with opponents? Of course not, it's mostly about movement, look at sprinters.

If you're a Benz, Kane, Suarez type of attacker, then obviously you need to wrestle, but Puig is not. He works around opponents, not through them. Wrestling is like 5% of his game and it's not like he just falls down. He actually seems to have great balance and rigid core. Might get pushed back a bit easily, but can fight back by slipping by and poking at the ball.

He's nimble like a fly. Try killing a fly by pushing it away.