Mavericky Puig

[JohnN]

No he doesn't and the truth is that if Puig was an amazing talent or something, koeman or someone else among the coaching staff would recognize it after all these months.
So in that respect, I don't think we are missing out on something great but it kind of feels weird he is not getting any minutes at all.
Pjanic on the other hand, I am delighted he watches from the stands.

 

[vegitot]

Trincao was hitting some form just as the formation changed and we found our rythmh as a team, so he was unlucky and got permabenched for some time.

At least Trincao is still highly rated for his national team. Puig is not at all.

 

[fergus90]

At least Trincao is still highly rated for his national team. Puig is not at all.

Trincao is gonna have a very hard time getting into that team. Portugal got some serious talent up top. Probably be at the U21s in the summer though.

 

[behindbrowneyes]

Puig is an Alena, Denis Suarez level player. I don't even neglect that he can contribute here and there by making an assist or something. Of course he'd deserve some more minutes, but in the end it will not change much about the fact that he'll never make it at Barca. The sooner he accepts that, the better for his development. There is much competition in midfield and he has not the versatility of a Roberto, who got a decent amount of games because he got translated into a RB.

Koeman, a coach who isn't afraid to play young and unproven players ahead of seniors, just doesn't rate him. And he is not the first one. Puig's lack in experience is not a problem here as Koeman didn't even shy away to bring Ilaix when Barca desperately needed a goal against Madrid.

 

[frostdude1]

🎙 Riqui Puig in an interview with Deportes Cuatro:

?I owe everything to this club who saw me grow and formed me as a person, they owe nothing to me. I?ve promised my dad that I?ll make it here and take advantage of every opportunity I get, every minute. Visca Bar?a!?

I can?t believe the clueless idiots on here that hate this guy and want him gone. He represents everything that is good about Barca, and our Barca DNA.

 

[Bobo32]

Puig is an Alena, Denis Suarez level player. I don't even neglect that he can contribute here and there by making an assist or something. Of course he'd deserve some more minutes, but in the end it will not change much about the fact that he'll never make it at Barca. The sooner he accepts that, the better for his development. There is much competition in midfield and he has not the versatility of a Roberto, who got a decent amount of games because he got translated into a RB.

Koeman, a coach who isn't afraid to play young and unproven players ahead of seniors, just doesn't rate him. And he is not the first one. Puig's lack in experience is not a problem here as Koeman didn't even shy away to bring Ilaix when Barca desperately needed a goal against Madrid.

I'm sorry but I think you are very simplistic in your analysis here. It's not about age or experience or being homegrown, it's just that Koeman doesn't like him very much.
The reason I rate Puig isn't that he is from la masia or because he is young, I just like the way he plays. He is of a different class than Alena or Suarez, but those players could've contributed more than they did, if the club went in another direction, as well...

 

[Bobo32]

Well, the fact remains he can't develop his game purely from training and 5 minutes here and there. Every player would theoritically be best in the perfect conditions of giving starting roles in the teams that developed them as youth players. But not every one can get that chance.

He is still in LaLiga in Spain where even the bottom teams will try and play possession based football and attack. If you write a list of all the LaLiga teams this year (along with their managers) and those who can promote next season then there are a number of candidate's who should give him a number of minutes, and a number that he would be suitable for. It is not like we are telling him to develop in the Premiership or Ligue1.

If none can, then he can never be good enough for Barcelona. You can't have a player who is top 5 in the world for example, but only at Barcelona and can't even get into the Elche 11.

If he wants to even just be the Sensi of Barcelona, then he needs to go out and find his Sassuolo first.

Forgot this post.

Messi would make it in a rainy night playing for Stoke, but would Busquets? Busquets is the GOAT dmc.
Puig would surely be able to bring a lot to a midtable spanish team playing in a way that suits him, but it's a bit risky. In any way it looks like it's coming, will be interesting to see.

But take Kevin de Bruyne as an example, he wasn't rated by Mou (and other managers?) at Chelsea. Puig doesn't have KDB:s crazy touch and game deciding vision, would he be able to dominate in that same way and make his way back to the biggest stage? Maybe, but even for KDB it took a couple of years... Odegaard is another player in that position, don't know how he's doing at Arsenal at the moment, but he could definitely be a star in a big team, with the right surroundings and trust.

Every player is very dependent on his team. A 56kg midfielder even more so. But he is proving every minute he gets at Barcelona that he can bring a lot to Barcelona. If it is just luck in the games, and he is in reality much worse in training, I have never seen anything like it. The Occam explanation is that Koeman has something against him.

 

[Joan]

Kdb was rated by (i) Chesea, enough to pay Genk 8m when he was barely 21, had a (ii) successful loan at Bremen, and only a year later was deemed (iii) a 22m worth player by Wolfsburg despite not being trusted by Mourinho. So, lots of people in the business rating him. Unlike Puig.

 

[Catta]

Again with the ''Koeman doesn't like him'' speech.

If he was such a talent he would have at least be playing for the Spanish youth teams consistently. The guy is 22 and no coach has rated him, not because they all hate him, but because he is nothing special, he has much more negatives than positives in his play.

I liked the guy, was hoping he makes it in Barca, but since his fanboys started glorifying everything he does, a big part of the forum started to loathe him, me including.

 

[fergus90]

Puig is quite clearly rated enough though to be on the books at Barcelona. Not quite some scrub knocking around in the lower levels.

I understand some fans think he's lacking ambition or don't rate him(that's fair enough of course and ultimately its all personal opinion) but definitely shouldn't get hate especially as he's basically just a home grown lad determined to try and make it at his local club. If the club had more players with that kind of attitude towards representing the Barca badge we'd probably have not been the laughing stock of European football for the last 5 years.

 

[Bobo32]

Kdb was rated by (i) Chesea, enough to pay Genk 8m when he was barely 21, had a (ii) successful loan at Bremen, and only a year later was deemed (iii) a 22m worth player by Wolfsburg despite not being trusted by Mourinho. So, lots of people in the business rating him. Unlike Puig.

KDB is now regarded as the best midfielder in the world, and at 21 he was not trusted in a worse club than Barcelona and arrived at a midtable german club, later he was bought by another midtable german club.
My favourite midfielder outside of Barcelona, Modric, arrived at Tottenham at 23, and was questioned there for a while. I guess you must've known about him very well, you are croatian right?

Whatever, different players. I never rated De Bruyne very highly before City, but I rated Modric and Verratti since the first time I saw them, as I did with Busquets, Thiago and Puig. Let's see what happens with Puig. That Valverde saw no place for him, "Setien" didn't play him at the end, and Koeman mistreats him, doesn't make me question my eyes.

 

[BBZ8800]

My favourite midfielder outside of Barcelona, Modric, arrived at Tottenham at 23, and was questioned there for a while. I guess you must've known about him very well, you are croatian right?

Modric played for Dinamo Zagreb.
But aged 18 went on a loan to one club and next year to the other 1st division club.
He gained a lot of experience.

At the age of 20 he returned to Dinamo and orchestrated their play.
For example, 2006, CL qualifiers vs Arsenal, who was top3 EPL team back then.
Modric was 20 years and 11 months young at this match (Puig will be 22 in 3 months):
https://youtu.be/9DrT0JQbiuE

 

[vegitot]

KDB is now regarded as the best midfielder in the world, and at 21 he was not trusted in a worse club than Barcelona and arrived at a midtable german club, later he was bought by another midtable german club.
My favourite midfielder outside of Barcelona, Modric, arrived at Tottenham at 23, and was questioned there for a while. I guess you must've known about him very well, you are croatian right?

Whatever, different players. I never rated De Bruyne very highly before City, but I rated Modric and Verratti since the first time I saw them, as I did with Busquets, Thiago and Puig. Let's see what happens with Puig. That Valverde saw no place for him, "Setien" didn't play him at the end, and Koeman mistreats him, doesn't make me question my eyes.

Modric played and shone in Euro 2008, Puig played 8 minutes in U21 team. De Bruyne recored 20 assists for Bremen in one season, higher than all of Puig assists combined in every comp.

Imagine compare De Bruyne or Modric to Puig. What a disgrace.

It is ok to think Koeman or any Barca coach doesn't rate him due to personal reason but even national team coaches (both youth and senior) never rate him. He was called up for U21 group stage last month. Spain played 3 matches, he only played 8 minutes in total (one match only).

De Bruyne had no problem to play for other teams when he wasn't trusted at Chelsea. Puig on the other hand, can not do that. He is below Alena now.

 

[kattanib]

What did Puig ever do to prove he is a Barca starting material? Based on what does he have fan base? Honestly it seems that Puig is highly rated for non sporting reasons: Either his social media presence, or his Tom Cruise looks or the fact that Barca fans want some sort of hope in midfield (which has been full filled with Pedri).

Puig is worth 15M to 20M at best.

 

[JohnN]

Modric played for Dinamo Zagreb.
But aged 18 went on a loan to one club and next year to the other 1st division club.
He gained a lot of experience.

At the age of 20 he returned to Dinamo and orchestrated their play.
For example, 2006, CL qualifiers vs Arsenal, who was top3 EPL team back then.
Modric was 20 years and 11 months young at this match (Puig will be 22 in 3 months):
https://youtu.be/9DrT0JQbiuE

It's clear Puig won't reach that level, or else someone would have noticed him.
The only issue we should have is he is good enough to rest pedri some times.