Memphis Depay

[jamrock]

The only thing that drives me crazy is watching us get knocked out of CL and lose countless games due to Busquets either being out of position or getting exposed by every top side.

Xavi has loyalty to players he played with and Busquets is a close friend. There is no footballing reason why Busquets wasnt replaced this summer and why he continues to start. It's because Xavi is choosing it. And he is wrong.

Frankie was in all those games we lost Just fyi, but I know "insert de jong execuse here".

Some of y'all are a bit like bobo making execuses for Puig 😂, except de jong is actual quality and bobo crazy for is Puig love. But still, the constant excuses.

Busquets is starting because Frankie isn't making the position is own, but if we believe a manage will go out & willfully lose games because that's is people's on the field, okay, can't argue with that.

Let de jong take the job off him, I'm 100% for him doing it, but he as to go out there and actually do it.

 

[JamDav1982]

No FDJ wasnt in all of them and Barca been dicked in CL long before FDJ arrived.

Europa League last season to Frankfurt FDJ changed game both times but Xavi decided not to start him in either leg v Frankfurt.

The excuse making for Puig is more akin to excuses made for Busquets.

Busquets is starting as Xavi prefers him in his system.

Doesnt mean everyone has to agree Xavi is correct and it isnt some great argument you think as coaches often get things wrong.

When folk think Xavi is wrong and give reasons..using who Xavi picks as some comeback is weak and is a 'cant question the coach' argument.

 

[jamrock]

Xavi thinks Busi is best DM in world and prefers what he brings to FDJ.

That is the point being argued.. whether that is correct or not.

Doesnt mean Xavi is correct.. you used to moan about Xavi playing likes of Torres too much and claimed cant drop him etc. Cant have it both ways.

Raphinha has started one game over Fati so far and even then... it has no impact on the Busi/FDJ debate when everyone agrees Xavi prefers Busquets as man to build DM area of team on anyway.

Xavi preferred Gavi to FDJ in Europa League and could well have cost him that trophy.

Xavi preferred Gavi to FDJ v Rayo and it was clear who was better player while on pitch.

The old 'cant argue with coaches decision' argument is a lame one.

You literally just said on another thread Xavi should have started Balde over Alba... cant question coach though as he chooses what is best for team..

And when xavi finds a better player than Torres he will be on the bench a lot more, which will be the case this season.


Blade vs alba is not even worth discussing that's too easy to defeat, said balde should start 1 specific game & a few over the course of the season.

Doesn't matter what a coach "believes" if it doesn't work he will make the correct decision for the team, as xavi has shown multi times with the examples given.

But more execuses for de jong, keep them coming, as busquets at 34 keeps him on the bench.

When that actually chances with de jong playing well let me know.

 

[JamDav1982]

And when xavi finds a better player than Torres he will be on the bench a lot more, which will be the case this season.


Blade vs alba is not even worth discussing that's too easy to defeat, said balde should start 1 specific game & a few over the course of the season.

Doesn't matter what a coach "believes" if it doesn't work he will make the correct decision for the team, as xavi has shown multi times with the examples given.

But more execuses for de jong, keep them coming, as busquets at 34 keeps him on the bench.

When that actually chances with de jong playing well let me know.

You were claiming last season Xavi was biased for Torres and playing him too much so that argument falls flat on what you have already claimed.

Balde v Alba is relevant as you think there Xavi got selection wrong for good of the team.

What would be Xavi giving FDJ a shot to prove he is better DM than Busquets?

Excuses are for Busquets and poor 'coach knows best' argument when argue exact opposite on other occasions when suits.

Keep watching Busquets fail and saying it isnt his or Xavis fault but it is the fault of FDJ. Top stuff.

FDJ been best mid in team not in best position. Busquets been a liability and targeted game after game.

 

[jamrock]

Nothing to do with a coach is always right, but if a coach has a preference and it's wrong, and a player is significantly better, he can make it so the coach has no coach but to start him, by performing, but de jong with his constant 6.5/10 and. Few 9/10 per season isn't doing that.

Simple as, idk what so hard to understand really.

If he wants to job, prove Xavi wrong, give xavi no choice but to start him, nothing is given to you in life, take the freaking job of busquets, you are 9 yours is Jr, it shouldnt be that difficult.

 

[JamDav1982]

Nothing to do with a coach is always right, but if a coach has a preference and it's wrong, and a player is significantly better, he can make it so the coach has no coach but to start him, by performing, but de jong with his constant 6.5/10 and. Few 9/10 per season isn't doing that.

Simple as, idk what so hard to understand really.

If he wants to job, prove Xavi wrong, give xavi no choice but to start him, nothing is given to you in life, take the freaking job of busquets, you are 9 yours is Jr, it shouldnt be that difficult.

It absolutely is about coach is always right as you are trying some lame argument about how poor Busi has been is the fault of FDJ not being good enough to replace him.

That is Xavis opinion. Doesnt make it a fact.

Everyone agrees that is Xavis opinion. That is not in doubt so it is no real comeback.

How can he prove Xavi wrong to drop Busquets as DM? How can he 'give him no choice'?

Does Xavi need to drop Busi and change system for FDJ to prove it?

FDJ been better than any other mid across his three years. Interesting that try to make out he is inconsistent then argue for likes of Busi and Gavi being irreplaceble or on same level.

 

[jamrock]

It absolutely is about coach is always right as you are trying some lame argument about how poor Busi has been is the fault of FDJ not being good enough to replace him.

That is Xavis opinion. Doesnt make it a fact.

Everyone agrees that is Xavis opinion. That is not in doubt so it is no real comeback.

How can he prove Xavi wrong to drop Busquets as DM? How can he 'give him no choice'?

Does Xavi need to drop Busi and change system for FDJ to prove it?

FDJ been better than any other mid across his three years. Interesting that try to make out he is inconsistent then argue for likes of Busi and Gavi being irreplaceble or on same level.

Never said Frankie is inconsistent, never have never would, said he gives us a much of 6.5/10 performances, he's always good, rarely very rarely great.

You don't pay 80m for that, simple has.

Do I have to list a number of athletes in different sports where the younger player came in and took the job off the older guy, by making it clear as day when he plays that he is the man for the job.

Foden comes to mind, makes it soon clear is the man for the job, pep fits him into the team.

Their is a shit load, google it, as we continue to blame everyone and their father for de jong not starting, except the man himself.

 

[Joan]

Ship his ass.

 

[JamDav1982]

Never said Frankie is inconsistent, never have never would, said he gives us a much of 6.5/10 performances, he's always good, rarely very rarely great.

You don't pay 80m for that, simple has.

Do I have to list a number of athletes in different sports where the younger player came in and took the job off the older guy, by making it clear as day when he plays that he is the man for the job.

Foden comes to mind, makes it soon clear is the man for the job, pep fits him into the team.

Their is a shit load, google it, as we continue to blame everyone and their father for de jong not starting, except the man himself.

Frenkie was best mid under Xavi to date and best in time at club which is higher level than others.

He has very good a number of times.. away to Real, Napoli last season. Came on to turn tie v Frankfurt etc. While some he has been poor but overlall better than the others.

Agreed he isnt worth 80m and salary to play him in system based on likes of Busquets.

The issue is Xavi doesnt want FDJ taking Busis spot and isnt setting that up to happen. It is near enough impossible to win that role if Xavi plays Busquets at record minuts at 34 no matter how bad he is.

Example being last season when Busi was out v Celta.. FDJ at DM was best player on park in 3-1 win at home when had lost 3 of last 4 I believe v average sides and Busquets miles off pace.

First thing Xavi does after game?

Comment on how much Busi was missed.

Foden is completely irrelevant as he is being played in positions that suit his strengths.

No one is claiming no young player has ever replaced an older one... but rarely if ever unless coach allows circumstances for that to happen.

FDJ is starting majority of games... just him not replacing Busquets is on Xavi preferring Busquets.

You think Xavi is right. I think he is wrong.

Thats what it comes down to.

Keep up the Busi excuses and blame FDJ for him being shit though. About all have left.

 

[JohnN]

I am confused by this exchange. Do you guys think FDJ can Play the solo DM role as busquets?
If not, it's pointless to argue wether he can replace him or not because that's not his position. If yes, he should have replaced him already. My theory is he can't play solo there, and needs a partner, which we don't have anyone, apart from busquets. For the system xavi chooses, in his mind the busi role is more important than fdj role. I am not saying I agree, but he has something in mind he tries to implement.

 

[Loki]

I am confused by this exchange. Do you guys think FDJ can Play the solo DM role as busquets?
If not, it's pointless to argue wether he can replace him or not because that's not his position. If yes, he should have replaced him already. My theory is he can't play solo there, and needs a partner, which we don't have anyone, apart from busquets. For the system xavi chooses, in his mind the busi role is more important than fdj role. I am not saying I agree, but he has something in mind he tries to implement.

I agree. Frenkie's strengh lies in taking the ball forward through opponent's lines. You can't do it in a 4-3-3 on Sergio's position, because you need a double pivot for that. Frenkie doesn't interpret this position like Busquets does, so he can't be his replacement.

 

[JohnN]

We have some strong attacking players now, perhaps a double pivot with Pedri in front of them wouldn't be a bad decision. What we need to do is get the ball as fast to our forward line and Pedri. FDJ doesn't do it through passing but running which is sometimes better, as it invalidates the pass covering press setup of the opponent. But we would be reliant on dembele, fati, raphinia and lewa for creativity.

 

[ZenI]

Intersting discussion about fdj the last 2-3 pages, but this is the Depay thread... sooooo, any news?

 

[feggydinho]

Frenkie was best mid under Xavi to date and best in time at club which is higher level than others.

He has very good a number of times.. away to Real, Napoli last season. Came on to turn tie v Frankfurt etc. While some he has been poor but overlall better than the others.

Agreed he isnt worth 80m and salary to play him in system based on likes of Busquets.

The issue is Xavi doesnt want FDJ taking Busis spot and isnt setting that up to happen. It is near enough impossible to win that role if Xavi plays Busquets at record minuts at 34 no matter how bad he is.

Example being last season when Busi was out v Celta.. FDJ at DM was best player on park in 3-1 win at home when had lost 3 of last 4 I believe v average sides and Busquets miles off pace.

First thing Xavi does after game?

Comment on how much Busi was missed.

Foden is completely irrelevant as he is being played in positions that suit his strengths.

No one is claiming no young player has ever replaced an older one... but rarely if ever unless coach allows circumstances for that to happen.

FDJ is starting majority of games... just him not replacing Busquets is on Xavi preferring Busquets.

You think Xavi is right. I think he is wrong.

Thats what it comes down to.

Keep up the Busi excuses and blame FDJ for him being shit though. About all have left.

In today's inflated market Frenkie is easily worth over 80m especially when you see how much the likes of tchouameni and Grealish cost. Wesley Fofana is even rumored to be going for over 70m and West Ham was holding on to 120m plus for Declan Rice

 

[malvolio]

In today's inflated market Frenkie is easily worth over 80m especially when you see how much the likes of tchouameni and Grealish cost. Wesley Fofana is even rumored to be going for over 70m and West Ham was holding on to 120m plus for Declan Rice

Those that you mentioned didn't flop at a big club yet or had a massive wage. Just as Frenkie was the best midfield wonderkid around, after that Ajax CL run. His quota was at an all time high.

Do you think Grealish or Maguire would be going for the same fees now?