antonnn
Blue Blooded Aussie
So if a guy took the world by storm with Cardiff City, played better than Ronaldo and Messi, outscores and out assists them but his team finishes 10th and wins none of the domestic cups, does he deserve to win the Ballon d'Or? No, of course not, cause he could not lead his team to anything meaningful.
Aryagorn
Improvin' Perfection!!
playing just the league with Cardiff there's no chance in hell some body could achieve it
antonnn
Blue Blooded Aussie
Well using them is hypothetical of course. You can easily switch Cardiff with a half decent team that's say in one of the top leagues, managed to fluke 4th the previous year and made the CL but despite his world class performances his team's defence is utter crap and due to that they didn't do well in all their competitions, but he himself outshone everyone else in the world purely on an individual level. He's not going to win anything, you need to be magnificent and play a major part in leading your team to glory. It's not like I'm saying Messi isn't the best player in the world, he is, but he shouldn't win these awards simply because of that if his team's success doesn't outshine a player who was in world class form and instrumental in helping his team to say, a treble, and making the WC final like Sneijder did in 2010. Messi's 2009 and 2011 Ballon d'Ors are completely justified, but I just feel he didn't deserve 2 of them, which he won on reputation.
darthvader7888
Banned
The Ballon d'or is an individual award. That guy SHOULD win the Ballon d'or. Why should the best player in the world in a certain year not win an INDIVIDUAL award because his team has a shit defense? But whether he would win is another matter. The lack of titles and shitty team will undeservedly deprive that guy of quite a few votes. Of course, someone in a team like Cardiff or whatever won't outshine every player in the world, but in that hypothetical scenario, yes, that guy you talked about would deserve the Ballon d'or.
As for Messi, he deserved the Ballon d'ors in 2010 and 2012. He didn't win them on reputation, he won them because he was the best player in the world individually in those years. He doesn't deserve the Ballon d'or this year because Ronaldo was the best player individually. Simple as that.
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S7_MUFC
New member
You could argue that the Individual performance should make significant difference to a team's position in the league and their cup run..the voters should ask themselves where the hypothetical Cardiff would be without their superstar player....Ronaldo should win it this year because Bayern could've won the treble even without Ribery.....
Semi-Neutral
Sir Alupp Heynrguson
No, it's not. The whole award is supposed to be who is the best player in the world, and if two players are inseparable, then you look at trophies.
Cule4life
The Culest
If this "hypothetical guy" was that good he wouldn't be at the club for a whole year. He would be snapped up by a better team in the nearest transfer window. The best players in the world sooner or later play for the best teams.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
Why not?
You might as well tell other players, if you don't manage to go play for the following teams (Barca, RM. Bayern, ManU, BVB, Arsenal, Chelsea etc.), please don't even try, since you will never be recognized for your individual performance. Please don't tell me that Ballon D'Or is only reserved for players on a few top CL level teams in the world.
Football is a team sport, no matter how amazing/wonderful one particular player is, the chances of him/her leading his/her team to titles and trophies are pretty slim if the rest of the team are not on the same level. It takes 11 players to win games and trophies, not just one. So, how can you judge one person's individual performance based on titles and trophies that the team won?
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
Again, BD is about individual performance, not team performance. Therefore Messi deservingly won the last 4 Ballon d'Ors.
CR7 deserves to win this year, even though his team is trophy-less.
Interesting poll by The Guardian, showing how the recent hype has totally changed the public opinion on CR deserving the BD:
http://www.theguardian.com/football.../cristiano-ronaldo-ballon-dor-2013-poll-messi
(Compare current results with results in October)
http://www.theguardian.com/football.../cristiano-ronaldo-ballon-dor-2013-poll-messi
(Compare current results with results in October)
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Flavia
Guest
That's a good way to show what hype does... cr has been immense the last couple of months, there's no denying that. But 2 months is not enough for the bdor. It's a joke, really.
Maria
New member
Really? And how do you know that? Who from Bayern could have taken his place?
And another thing..even if Bayern could have won the treble without Ribery, one thing's for sure. Real Madrid even with the so called best manager in the world, the so called best player in the world and the most expensive squad ever couldn't win a thing this year.
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Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
Shaqiri. Or Robben, as he can also play on the left and have Müller on the right.
Just how influential was Ribery in the treble, especially the CL?
Semi-Neutral
Sir Alupp Heynrguson
Robben and Muller could have and did, against both us and Juventus.
That has nothing to do with Ronaldo though; he can't play defense for the team, he can't keep goal on the team, he can't simultaneously cross the ball and head it in, he can't win the ball from midfield, start a counter and finish it all by himself... He did as well as one could expect him to in most games, which is what matters, not whether he "leads" his team to titles or rubbish like that, because no matter how good a player is they won't be able to carry a team to a title; maybe an international tournament when teams don't have time to adjust to shut down the threat, but any other competition it is impossible for one player to win titles if the rest of his team has no chemistry or isn't good or whatever.
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