Mohamed Salah

[Joan]

Precisely. That's why he didn't let go and fouled. The rest is a pure coincidence. Equating this to him hacking down someone's leg without an attempt at the ball is ridiculous.

It's impossible to claim Ramos had an intention to injure Salah before the foul. He had to stop him, that's defender's job. Don't think anybody denies that.

Not clear is what he did after. Look at the picture.

Salah is down, but Ramos won't let his arm. That's where I think he saw the opportunity and took it.

I'll try with an analogy. For handball to be called, there has to be one's intention, it has to be deliberate. The position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is a violation. But if you don't move a hand when you can because it might help your team, then it might not be called, but is still a foul.

That's how I see it. He didn't want to injure him in the first place (you didn't want to play the ball with your hand) but when the opportunity arose, he took it.

 

[El Gato]

Polish referee Szymon Marciniak who reffed multiple CL-EL fixtures, i.e. Spurs vs Juve, went on air yesterday, was told that dreaded phrase "RAMOS KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS DOING" by the journalist and he sees zero intent to hurt or injure. Said he wouldn't even give a yellow for it.

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Can of worms argument. Completely useless, waste of time, mostly coming from those who have a pro-Salah stance on the thing for one reason or another falling into a confirmation bias that Ramos "tried to murder", mostly based on history, not the challenge itself.

 

[MessiCam]

Polish referee Szymon Marciniak who reffed multiple CL-EL fixtures, i.e. Spurs vs Juve, went on air yesterday, was told that dreaded phrase "RAMOS KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS DOING" by the journalist and he sees zero intent to hurt or injure. Said he wouldn't even give a yellow for it.

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Can of worms argument. Completely useless, waste of time, mostly coming from those who have a pro-Salah stance on the thing for one reason or another falling into a confirmation bias that Ramos "tried to murder", mostly based on history, not the challenge itself.

You don’t think that the fact that Ramos held on to Salah’s arm for that long contributed to the injury? There was a point in the challenge when they’re going down... At that point let the man have his arm back. You might see it differently and that’s fine but I don’t like this ends justifies the means type of argument when it comes thugs like Ramos.

Personally, I don’t take what Graham Hunter says about football plays very seriously because tries to breakdown situations into nanoseconds. Very, very few players see the game that way let alone some pundit... I prefer the insight he has about the game and the players.

 

[El Gato]

So you don't like Graham breaking it down into nanoseconds, but you want Ramos to break it all down and analyse all the consequence of circumstantial arm locks in his head while fighting for the ball...... Right!

 

[MessiCam]

So you don't like Graham breaking it down into nanoseconds, but you want Ramos to break it all down and analyse all the consequence of circumstantial arm locks in his head while fighting for the ball...... Right!

And it flies over your head.

He wasn’t fighting for the ball he had already poked it away when he dragged Salah down.

 

[El Gato]

And it flies over your head.

He wasn’t fighting for the ball he had already poked it away when he dragged Salah down.

The poke led to them both losing balance. Salah tripped over his leg, fell to the right because the arms were locked and pushed Ramos over. Instinct to protect himself in the fall made Ramos twist his arm. Rest is history. Watch it again if you've only seen the replay from the front where the challenge looks worse than it actually is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBsLQV8mKzw - 0:07-0:08

 

[gr98]

The poke led to them both losing balance. Salah tripped over his leg, fell to the right because the arms were locked and pushed Ramos over. Instinct to protect himself in the fall made Ramos twist his arm. Rest is history. Watch it again if you've only seen the replay from the front where the challenge looks worse than it actually is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBsLQV8mKzw - 0:07-0:08

Anyone that plays football regardless of what level knows that Ramos intended to injure Salah, fuck outta here trying to justify that foul, the camera even caught Ramos laughing when Salah was being subbed off.

 

[El Gato]

Anyone that plays football regardless of what level knows that Ramos intended to injure Salah, fuck outta here trying to justify that foul, the camera even caught Ramos laughing when Salah was being subbed off.

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Nope. Anyone that plays football knows this was AT MOST a foul to stop the play. Even licensed referees think so as per example I gave earlier in the thread.

Not sure what this picture is trying to prove. He planted the leg after he poked the ball away. Arm lock is pulling their bodies together and pushing Ramos off balance.

 

[gr98]

Fuck off. [tw]1001143149627101185[/tw]

 

[El Gato]

Stay mature lol.

Come back when you see the difference between intent to foul and intent to injure. Then I can assume you're an adult.

 

[Joan]

Why did he keep Salah's arm locked? Didn't let it go until he was on top of him. Why? The player had been stopped.

 

[jamrock]

Madrid fans can argue all they want, at the end of the day he has no reason to old on to the Salah's hand that long.

There is recorded history of pepe & Ros trying to Injure players they know can easily get the better of them.

Everyone who knows football, knows what a hard foul is, that was not one.

 

[El Gato]

Why did he keep Salah's arm locked? Didn't let it go until he was on top of him. Why? The player had been stopped.

I don't know is the answer. I just don't go from "Ramos is a cunt, he's got a reputation" to "Ramos is a fucking vile player, he committed outright assault here", in a matter of seconds because they took a bad tumble.

0:21-0:27. From the moment of the pulldown Ramos is completely focusing his left arm to absorb the fall onto his elbow, which means he has to keep the arm locked since all his body weight is coming down on it. And it's so dynamic, microseconds, that it's impossible to think "shit, this can hurt the other guy". All he knows is "okay, we're going down, job done". Nor could he have predicted the way Mo would tuck his left arm in that way and absorb the fall onto his opposite shoulder. Armbar throws aren't designed to target the opposite shoulder are they now.....

 

[mia7007]

Anyone who knows football knows that Ramos is the dirtiest player ever

 

[Jenks]

I don't know is the answer. I just don't go from "Ramos is a cunt, he's got a reputation" to "Ramos is a fucking vile player, he committed outright assault here", in a matter of seconds because they took a bad tumble.

0:21-0:27. From the moment of the pulldown Ramos is completely focusing his left arm to absorb the fall onto his elbow, which means he has to keep the arm locked since all his body weight is coming down on it. And it's so dynamic, microseconds, that it's impossible to think "shit, this can hurt the other guy". All he knows is "okay, we're going down, job done". Nor could he have predicted the way Mo would tuck his left arm in that way and absorb the fall onto his opposite shoulder. Armbar throws aren't designed to target the opposite shoulder are they now.....

To me that video shows pretty clearly that Ramos throws all of his weight onto Salah in an attempt to injure him. That is not a natural way to land, I believe he did it on purpose.