Nelson Semedo

[LeeRomeno]

This is pretty hilarious, he is not a 18 year old kid. He is 24 year old international player. So tired of hearing this "destroyed confidence" bs. He has had arguably maybe 2 really good games vs Juventus at home and vs Eibar at home. And way more below average games. S.Roberto has had way more excellent games and his average level as RB simply has been better. Also this "option for future". Semedo is 1 year younger than S.Roberto, wtf?
Last season was horrible in many ways, not only S.Roberto as RB, cannot really compare that, Valverdes team plays much more compact in defense and so far I see no reason why Roberto cannot continue in that role.

 

[behindbrowneyes]

People who think he is better defensively should check the stats I posted in the Roberto-thread. Stats are not everything, but Semedos duels won are pretty poor for a defender.
I really rate him but I can see why Valverde prefers Roberto at this point.

 

[wisconsincule]

I wouldn’t mind seeing Roberto and Semedo on the right side of the midfield Saturday. Bench Paulinho and bring him on as a super sub. We all know this won’t happen though but wishful thinking. Roberto/Semedo in the same lineup would be able to hold down Marcelo you would think.

 

[henias]

This is pretty hilarious, he is not a 18 year old kid. He is 24 year old international player. So tired of hearing this "destroyed confidence" bs. He has had arguably maybe 2 really good games vs Juventus at home and vs Eibar at home. And way more below average games. S.Roberto has had way more excellent games and his average level as RB simply has been better. Also this "option for future". Semedo is 1 year younger than S.Roberto, wtf?
Last season was horrible in many ways, not only S.Roberto as RB, cannot really compare that, Valverdes team plays much more compact in defense and so far I see no reason why Roberto cannot continue in that role.

Here you go again. What has age got to do with any of this and players do flourish under different conditions/circumstances. Modric was actually named the worst signing of the year and look where he is now? What's more is that he did actually put up good solid performance against big sides like Juventus, which is fairly rare for a newcomer. What I dont understand is benching him 3 odd games ENTIRELY, so it's like he's playing only one game in every 2 weeks, leading up to the big game against Atletico. He isn't entirely familiar with the entire Barcelona system to begin with, (a system where chemistry and understanding is most crucial especially for new players).

It's an entirely different thing when benching old players like Iniesta or Busquets because they are already very well-versed with the system. Isn't it wierd Semedo's massive drop in form coincides with the sporadic minutes he was given (completely barring him frm one game and fully introducing in the next), and the sudden game against Atletico was a huge blow for him.

It's absolutely detrimental to a newcomer like him and it definitely did affect him. You could defend Rakitic for his run of bad games, who was giving only safe passes in a vital midfield position, but wouldnt give any benefit of the doubt for Semedo who's seen the bench more and expect him to put in more dangerous crosses and passes as a new RB. Not very reasonable or logical.

And I'm not even comparing him to Roberto or anyone, but addressing his drastic drop in performance as of late and the fact that he was entirely barred from some matches, instead of giving him more time to find his form, especially in the case of Suarez. He could have gone up against Deportivo at ard 70 mins but was exempted yet again.

 

[JamDav1982]

Here you go again. What has age got to do with any of this and players do flourish under different conditions/circumstances. Modric was actually named the worst signing of the year and look where he is now? What's more is that he did actually put up good solid performance against big sides like Juventus, which is fairly rare for a newcomer. What I dont understand is benching him 3 odd games ENTIRELY, so it's like he's playing only one game in every 2 weeks, leading up to the big game against Atletico. He isn't entirely familiar with the entire Barcelona system to begin with, (a system where chemistry and understanding is most crucial especially for new players).

It's an entirely different thing when benching old players like Iniesta or Busquets because they are already very well-versed with the system. Isn't it wierd Semedo's massive drop in form coincides with the sporadic minutes he was given (completely barring him frm one game and fully introducing in the next), and the sudden game against Atletico was a huge blow for him.

It's absolutely detrimental to a newcomer like him and it definitely did affect him. You could defend Rakitic for his run of bad games, giving only safe passes, but wouldnt give any benefit of the doubt for Semedo who's seen the bench more and expect him to put in more dangerous crosses and passes as a new RB. Not very reasonable or logical.

And I'm not even comparing him to Roberto or anyone, but addressing his drastic drop in performance as of late.

The benching excuse is pathetic and if it affects him that much he doesnt have the mentality.

Age is irrelevant and so is Modrics start to life at Real which just shows how hard it can be to fit in at a new club. Some adapt some dont but the excuses dont add up.

It is not detrimental to rotate new players and majority of them get rotated.

Saying things like his game against Atletico 'was a sudden blow' is absurd. If it is that big a blow he wont make it at Barca.

 

[henias]

The benching excuse is pathetic and if it affects him that much he doesnt have the mentality.

Age is irrelevant and so is Modrics start to life at Real which just shows how hard it can be to fit in at a new club. Some adapt some dont but the excuses dont add up.

It is not detrimental to rotate new players and majority of them get rotated.

You dont get it. He was only playing one game every 2 weeks in the span of 6 weeks, leading up to the Atletico game.

Like I said, I'm trying to understand every player instead of just bashing them for the sake of it, especially his drop in performance.

 

[JamDav1982]

You dont get it. He was only playing one game every 2 weeks in the span of 6 weeks, leading up to the Atletico game.

Like I said, I'm trying to understand every player instead of just bashing them for the sake of it, especially his drop in performance.

I get it what the point is and totally disagree as almost all players when first come will get rotated almost regardless if they are playing well or not.

It is up to them to take their chances and prove they are best in that position not crumble if get left out a few games.

Semedo has had a lot of minutes and needs to do a lot better. He had that starting role, it was his and Roberto has rightfully taken it back. Now the onus is back on Semedo to up his game.

 

[FCBfan22]

The 1st Semedo War
September 2017 - ?


Semedo to right of them,
Roberto to left of them,
Vidal in front of them
Attacked and defended;
Angried they would shout and yell,
Who the starting right-back is to tell,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell Rode the BarcaForum.

 

[JamDav1982]

Show me one manager that rotates his defence often. It's the one area managers don't fiddle with...

Most managers rotate their defences and in particular their full backs as such a demanding position.

Try again.

 

[LeeRomeno]

Here you go again. What has age got to do with any of this and players do flourish under different conditions/circumstances. Modric was actually named the worst signing of the year and look where he is now? What's more is that he did actually put up good solid performance against big sides like Juventus, which is fairly rare for a newcomer. What I dont understand is benching him 3 odd games ENTIRELY, so it's like he's playing only one game in every 2 weeks, leading up to the big game against Atletico. He isn't entirely familiar with the entire Barcelona system to begin with, (a system where chemistry and understanding is most crucial especially for new players).

It's an entirely different thing when benching old players like Iniesta or Busquets because they are already very well-versed with the system. Isn't it wierd Semedo's massive drop in form coincides with the sporadic minutes he was given (completely barring him frm one game and fully introducing in the next), and the sudden game against Atletico was a huge blow for him.

It's absolutely detrimental to a newcomer like him and it definitely did affect him. You could defend Rakitic for his run of bad games, who was giving only safe passes in a vital midfield position, but wouldnt give any benefit of the doubt for Semedo who's seen the bench more and expect him to put in more dangerous crosses and passes as a new RB. Not very reasonable or logical.

And I'm not even comparing him to Roberto or anyone, but addressing his drastic drop in performance as of late and the fact that he was entirely barred from some matches, instead of giving him more time to find his form, especially in the case of Suarez. He could have gone up against Deportivo at ard 70 mins but was exempted yet again.

Here i go where again? i brought out age for 2 reasons - a) if we would talk about about a teenager, getting confidence issues by being benched would be acceptable, for 24 year old international, it is not. b) people talk about him like some real long term solution, while the person who is taking his gametime is more or less of same age.

Modric was worst signing of the year, look at him now thing - so what exactly makes you compare Modric to Semedo but not S.Roberto? Dude was considered a revelation as RB when he first started playing there, last season for many reasons he was bad. Why do you think that he cannot flourish under new system with new coach? Danilo was also considered worst signing of the year in Real, look at him now? He is not in Real (and yes i know he is doing great in City, same as Semedo could easily do well in another club next year) No one knows if Semedo will make it or not, but what is fact is that S.Roberto has been better at that position, all stats and objective opinions support that idea.

Last season we signed Digne. Similar to Semedo he received not regular gametime and been unused in important games, even if he had a good performance before. Hasnt really shown in his games. He has been solid whenever called, waiting for his chance. Now whining about Semedo not playing regulary, while he has played majority of CL games and good portion of La Liga ones is just ridiculous. Hell, Digne has been on average better than Semedo. So are you saying Digne is particulary strong individual to not be affected of being on bench or then you are just bullshitting. He signed for the best club in the world and he cannot take being on bench or competition? If that is the case, he is at wrong club.

Perhaps Rakitics role given by Valverde is to give safe passes in vital midfield position, so if he has done that, it is fine with me and obviously with coach. I also dont recall him having a run of poor games. He has been bad in a few matches, but not several times in a row. Similary, it is pretty obvious that if Semedos role from Valverde and how he has played it out do not match, he is seeing bench more often. So it is very logical.

As for last part, I have absolutely no clue on how he is behaving in dressing room, trainings and so on, neither do you. Valverde seems to be very tactical in everything he does, and his usage of Roberto as RB is by no means random or just to tease him. But looking at our results and how players have played, I see no reason why Semedo should be favored to Roberto. Only thing I recall is S.Roberto being really frustrated to play RB position (i remember some interview last year), so I do not know how that is turning out now, but he does not seem unhappy.

This does not mean I would like Semedo to fail, i never want that with any of our players. On the contrary, I like him and ive seen glimpses of excellent skill in him and perhaps with return of Dembele, he will be used more again, but fact for me remains, with current set of players, S.Roberto is better suited for that position and works better with players around him.

 

[Hamzah]

I wouldn’t mind seeing Roberto and Semedo on the right side of the midfield Saturday. Bench Paulinho and bring him on as a super sub. We all know this won’t happen though but wishful thinking. Roberto/Semedo in the same lineup would be able to hold down Marcelo you would think.

I like the idea of both playing in the 4-4-2 it also lets roberto play right midfield and help double Marcelo as you said and Roberto is a great big game player.

 

[Potroh]

Similar to Semedo he received not regular gametime and been unused in important games, even if he had a good performance before. Hasnt really shown in his games. He has been solid whenever called, waiting for his chance. Now whining about Semedo not playing regulary, while he has played majority of CL games and good portion of La Liga ones is just ridiculous. Hell, Digne has been on average better than Semedo. So are you saying Digne is particulary strong individual to not be affected of being on bench or then you are just bullshitting. He signed for the best club in the world and he cannot take being on bench or competition? If that is the case, he is at wrong club.

Most definitely you have never been a coach or a pro-player, otherwise you wouldn't belittle the importance of several mental factors, like uncertainty, fear, imbalance, frustration, etc.
These are most often more important than the strength of a muscle or even stamina.

Do you really think that the constant "prove yourself" yields and orders by the coach would lead to the required result?
It just gives the opposite result my austere friend...

A player constantly fighting for his place will be uneasy, stiff, frustrated, undecided, he wouldn't take risks, would be afraid of doing creative things, would be scared of dribbling, making creative passes, etc. If he is a defender, he would definitely do more faults, collect yellow cards, etc.
Just ask your sexologist friends, where it is leading to, if the permanent but stiff will to prove yourself becomes a must, when you wish to procreate...

No player can play well or outstandingly if these axes are hanging over his head at every given minute.

You also belittle the role, or mental state of Roberto, he is clearly not happy playing as a defender (specially at important games against strong or even better opponents), so you just provide the ages old prescription, and think that performances - only and always - depend on "waiting for his chances" or someone is "a strong individual to not be affected of being on bench".
Nobody likes to sit on the bench (except Arda Turan) but simultaneously no player deals well with the constant "prove yourself" biddings or arrangements.

Otherwise you also mention valid points, but you're seemingly not aware of the mental factor's importance...

BTW, Digne has NOT been on average better than Semedo, he is probably half as skilled as Semedo is, but you are also damn right in saying that none of us knows how he or someone else is behaving in dressing room, or training.

 

[JamDav1982]

Massively looking for excuses for Semedo.

Every new player not a superstar comes and has to earn their place and he has had ample opportunity to show what he can do.

Digne has defnintely been better than Semedo this season. Much better going forward.

 

[Joan]

To be any good going forward in a club like Barca you have to build chemistry with the team. We are not a team who'll cross, we are not a team who'll attack from set-pieces, we are a team which values a linkup play above all.
Semedo didn't have just few good games as some imply, he was very solid and promising at the beginning of the season. Was even rumored to be (in) better (form) than Carvajal.
Then the quality of his performances dropped. We can act stupid and say that he's not capable enough or try to understand a bit more.

 

[JamDav1982]

To be any good going forward in a club like Barca you have to build chemistry with the team. We are not a team who'll cross, we are not a team who'll attack from set-pieces, we are a team which values a linkup play above all.
Semedo didn't have just few good games as some imply, he was very solid and promising at the beginning of the season. Was even rumored to be (in) better (form) than Carvajal.
Then the quality of his performances dropped. We can act stupid and say that he's not capable enough or try to understand a bit more.

The only reason he has been replaced is Roberto has been better. It is up to him from here to win his place back.