Nelson Semedo

[JamDav1982]

I've seen Semedo vs Douglas Costa, keeping him in check and blocking him in 180 mins. Then I've seen Roberto vs Willian being in over his head and beaten for pace easily. Like it or not, outwide, if you don't have pace, you're dead. Fast players fly past you with ease. Roberto vs Wilian on Camp Nou. Min 10 or so, foul Roberto and yellow. After that Willian goes past him because he knows he is not fast enough and strong enough to match him. He knows that he also can't do a foul because he's on a yellow.

1 vs 1 duels occur very often in the wing, because that's the area were losing the ball is not big of a deal. So every team tries to force 1 vs 1s there. Even if for this reason alone (which is incredibly important) there's no way in hell Roberto is better defensively than Roberto.

I have seen Semedo destroyed by Levante.

Seen Semedo being subbed off vs likes of Atletico and Valencia as so poor.

Seen Roberto assist goals vs Real and Atletico.

Roberto been the better RB. Semedo is faster.

 

[Danic]

Jamdav could u plz stop this lies about his sub off.
He wasnt subbed cause he was poor. Just cause he did not provide enough in the offense.
And i didnt saw semedo destroyed by levante. Lol, what a bullshit. I saw our whole defense destroyed including CM.

 

[serghei]

Roberto is literally one of the worst 1v1 defenders I've seen in my life, not far off from Vidal in this respect. If he'd played vs Levante we would've lost 7-4 or 8-4

Yea, and this is easily observable when we are not compact enough the distance between Roberto and the corresponding midfielder and centreback is larger than it should be. Everytime that happens and the other team has a skillfull winger, he will try to beat Roberto and most of the time he will manage to pass him.

 

[JamDav1982]

Jamdav could u plz stop this lies about his sub off.
He wasnt subbed cause he was poor. Just cause he did not provide enough in the offense.
And i didnt saw semedo destroyed by levante. Lol, what a bullshit. I saw our whole defense destroyed including CM.

He was poor in offence vs Atletico where Roberto came on set up the equaliser with a great cross and was poor vs Valencia defensively and going forward.

Semedo was fucking awful v Levante if cant see that then makes sense.

You trying to make out he wasnt but rest of defence were?

 

[JamDav1982]

Yea, and this is easily observable when we are not compact enough the distance between Roberto and the corresponding midfielder and centreback is larger than it should be. Everytime that happens and the other team has a skillfull winger, he will try to beat Roberto and most of the time he will manage to pass him.

who scored has Roberto being dribbled 0.8 times a game in league and Semedo 0.5 which seems about right as Semedo pace has him better on 1v1s.

Roberto makes more tackles, interceptions and blocks and dont even get started on the attacking stats.

 

[DonAndres]

Yea, and this is easily observable when we are not compact enough the distance between Roberto and the corresponding midfielder and centreback is larger than it should be. Everytime that happens and the other team has a skillfull winger, he will try to beat Roberto and most of the time he will manage to pass him.

It's almost like people forget that Roberto was so uniquely bad at defense, and we as a team collapsed and were demolished ENTIRELY because of him, that Lucho had to change us to 3 at the back last season. The 4-0 loss to PSG and ensuing shift in our team was literally because of Roberto himself.

We had to change our entire formation and play an extra CB just to hide this guy, a singular hole in our defense. That's literally the type of shit to do if you have an amateur football player out there that teams can and WILL target. And teams thoroughly abused Roberto as much as they could, make no mistake. Put Usain Bolt out there at RB and I imagine he's absolutely no worse defensively than Roberto. Roberto is literally groundbreaking in how bad he is defensively. Can't remember a team having to do that just to hide 1 player in the past decade of football, who even knows beyond that.

 

[JamDav1982]

It's almost like people forget that Roberto was so uniquely bad at defense, and we as a team collapsed and were demolished ENTIRELY because of him, that Lucho had to change us to 3 at the back last season. The 4-0 loss to PSG and ensuing shift in our team was literally because of Roberto himself.

We had to change our entire formation and play an extra CB just to hide this guy, a singular hole in our defense. That's literally the type of shit to do if you have an amateur football player out there that teams can and WILL target. And teams thoroughly abused Roberto as much as they could, make no mistake. Put Usain Bolt out there at RB and I imagine he's absolutely no worse defensively than Roberto. Roberto is literally groundbreaking in how bad he is defensively. Can't remember a team having to do that just to hide 1 player in the past decade of football, who even knows beyond that.

Yet Roberto makes more tackles, interceptions and blocks than Semedo and doesn get dribbled as much as gets made out.

Roberto is the better Barca right back this season easily.

Semedo is clueless in possession and in final third and not greta defensively.

The 343 was not to hide Roberto. More clueless nonsense.

More teams actually target the space left by Alba to run at Umtiti anyway but keep repeating the same thing over and over.

 

[BBZ8800]

Roberto is literally one of the worst 1v1 defenders I've seen in my life, not far off from Vidal in this respect. If he'd played vs Levante we would've lost 7-4 or 8-4

It wasn't just Roberto's red vs RM, he was literally targeted and abused time and time again by doubling up on his wing. He couldn't win a 1v1 to save his life and was always caught out of position.

Going forward, he is ridiculously overrated. Just makes straight line runs and gets shepherded into bad spots and recycles the ball most of the time. He's not even averaging more than .1-.2 more dribbles and key passes per game than Semedo. Pretty much 1 more chance created and dribble every 5-10 games, yet he's "in a different league going forward" LOL. He does have 7 assists and was better going forward in the first half of the season, but in the CL? He might as well be fucking Douglas. Literally a horrorshow on both ends and can't create chances in the CL to save his life, even when he was playing in a more advanced position.

Semedo, when paired with Dembele, is actually good going forward a decent amount of the time. If Valverde EVER played that lineup with any sort of regularity we'd see it much more. He overlaps for throughballs and connects very well with him overall.

With Roberto, imo, I have a feeling that even though he won't do anything with ball when in the opponent's half, at least, he is "always there" and available to receive a pass (and make a sideway pass, lol) and to be involved in some build up play and possession.
With Semedo, it is as if we have a man down. He is nowhere. He is not available for possession or for simple backpasses. He is lost somewhere near the touchline, without ideas where to run.
Add Dembele into this and you have 2 good solo players for counters, who other than that, against parked buses, don't have a clue what to do, where to run, how to move, how to get involved in a build up play.

All in all, imo, when we played 442 with 4 central midfielders plus Roberto as a RB, we had 10 players involved in possession and who more or less understand our movement.
When you play 442 with Dembele or 433 with Dembele+Semedo, we are turning into 8 players who know how to play possession, weak midfield consisted of only 3 players and 2 players on the right side who are good at counters, but other than that have no idea what to do in build up.

Again, imo, no wonder that our teamplay turned into crap when we turned to 433, and when we started to use more of the lost duo named Dembele-Semedo on the right side.

But that's just me.

 

[DonAK]

Our best games this season have come with Dembélé-Semedo as RW-RB in a 4-3-3

 

[JamDav1982]

Our best games this season have come with Dembélé-Semedo as RW-RB in a 4-3-3

What games?

Semedo played in worst defensive performances of season by far. Away to Roma and Levante.

Best game of season was probably the cup final.

Winning away at Real decent in second half particularly.

 

[khaled_a_d]

At what? Picking up stupid red cards? It was open boulevard with Roberto vs Chelsea. Semedo is not stellar in defense or anything, but if you call Semedo shaky, Roberto isn't even on the map defensively.

Semedo is better in recovering with his speed, this is the only thing he is probably better, even 1 on 1 he is massively overrated. May be a bit better than Roberto but not by far.

Roberto is literally one of the worst 1v1 defenders I've seen in my life, not far off from Vidal in this respect. If he'd played vs Levante we would've lost 7-4 or 8-4

It wasn't just Roberto's red vs RM, he was literally targeted and abused time and time again by doubling up on his wing. He couldn't win a 1v1 to save his life and was always caught out of position.

Going forward, he is ridiculously overrated. Just makes straight line runs and gets shepherded into bad spots and recycles the ball most of the time. He's not even averaging more than .1-.2 more dribbles and key passes per game than Semedo. Pretty much 1 more chance created and dribble every 5-10 games, yet he's "in a different league going forward" LOL. He does have 7 assists and was better going forward in the first half of the season, but in the CL? He might as well be fucking Douglas. Literally a horrorshow on both ends and can't create chances in the CL to save his life, even when he was playing in a more advanced position.

Semedo, when paired with Dembele, is actually good going forward a decent amount of the time. If Valverde EVER played that lineup with any sort of regularity we'd see it much more. He overlaps for throughballs and connects very well with him overall.

Wait,what? Roberto was always doubled, but he did his best on double situation, he had Cr7 and Marcelo on him, even Alves got abused badly in such situation, that was because Coutinho was falling asleep. Cr7 went out, Benzema played forward as Asensio with Rakitic supporting Semedo side and it was totally different game that isn't even realistic to compare both players.
And Roberto might be overrated in offense, but Semdo doesn't have offense to start with, he creates nothing, the basic thing for a Barca player is to play with his head up and he doesn't use this, If this was Pep's team Semedo would have been sent out and never see the pitch with such fatal flaw. The guy dribbles many times as a headless chicken and lose it, many times he found himself in good position and didn't even realize it, most of his crossed is played without him seeing who is gonna receive it. To say that they are even comparable? come on now.

 

[DonAndres]

With Roberto, imo, I have a feeling that even though he won't do anything with ball when in the opponent's half, at least, he is "always there" and available to receive a pass (and make a sideway pass, lol) and to be involved in some build up play and possession.
With Semedo, it is as if we have a man down. He is nowhere. He is not available for possession or for simple backpasses. He is lost somewhere near the touchline, without ideas where to run.
Add Dembele into this and you have 2 good solo players for counters, who other than that, against parked buses, don't have a clue what to do, where to run, how to move, how to get involved in a build up play.

All in all, imo, when we played 442 with 4 central midfielders plus Roberto as a RB, we had 10 players involved in possession and who more or less understand our movement.
When you play 442 with Dembele or 433 with Dembele+Semedo, we are turning into a 8 players who know how to play possession, weak midfield consisted of only 3 players and 2 players on the right side who are good at counters, but other than that have no idea what to do in build up.

Again, imo, no wonder that our teamplay turned into crap when we turned to 433, and when we started to use more or lost duo named Dembele-Semedo on the right side.

But that's just me.

Yeah, no. You are just wrong top to bottom here.

With 4-4-2 we have 10 players who understand how to play in possession but 4-3-3 we have 8???? Dembele can't do anything except counters??? You were saying our 4-4-2 midfield with Paulinho-Iniesta out wide is the best we have 'results' wise so I'm probably right in assuming you mean that Paulinho is one of those '10 players' who know's what he's doing???

Insane, utterly insane to believe those things. The only reason we've EVER struggled in the 4-3-3 this season is because of Rakitic and how incompetent he is under pressure. Dembele is 10x better in possession play than Paulinho ever was or will be, I don't even feel the need to go into details about this because it's mindblowing you actually believe otherwise.

We score more and our offense is FAR more fluid whenever Dembele's on. And he's averaging over a goal and assists per 90 minutes he has. How you fail to notice this is beyond me. Everyone clicks better and Dembele actively contributes to many chances created. But look who I'm talking to, the guy who actually managed to convince himself that "Dembele only scored 2 vs Villarreal because the league was over" even tho they were still fighting for European contention LMAO.

Gotta hand it to you man, you really are something else with these convictions . The way you speak of Dembele, one wouldn't think that Barca actually averages 3.25 goals per game when he starts. If you want the math (which I'm sure you do), that is approximately a 23% increase in goals/game from our figure of 2.65 WITHOUT Dembele. Our offense is 23% more effective because of the presence of 1 rookie winger who's spent half the season injured.

Smh

 

[JamDav1982]

Paulinho and Dembele should both have played or come on v Roma.

Even if it mean taking off Suarez but just cant do that.

Paulinho has been very good this season in that one particular role of supporting Messi, pressing from front and adding some tough cuntendness. Only thing should be used for an be useful v Roma.

Dembele should have been there to offer threat on break that Messi and Suarez couldnt.

BBZ Barca played 442 away to Roma with a fairly 'work horse' line up and it was worst game of season. It is not all about Barca 433 and midgets.

 

[serghei]

Semedo is better in recovering with his speed, this is the only thing he is probably better, even 1 on 1 he is massively overrated. May be a bit better than Roberto but not by far.

That speed that you're talking about is vital in 1 vs 1. Speed and reaction speed are probably the most important defensive attributes for a fullback. The attacker always has an extra edge because he knows before the defender what he is going to do (action vs reaction scenario). So if the defender is a bit slow and weak he will never get on equal footing with the attacker. Because of this, because Roberto is lacking that spark, he always needs to gamble more than Semedo.

Semedo loses because of his erratic positioning and because he is sometimes not focused, both faults that lie a lot in Roberto's game as well (I admit Roberto is a bit more focused than Semedo in defense, but he also has been playing at Barca for years, while Semedo is in his debut season). Because of this he is surprised by the action. But he does not lose takeons, except very rarely. This is separator between Roberto and Semedo. Many wingers in the game are pace merchants. Costa, Willian, Bale etc. Semedo is much better against them than Roberto will ever be, because he takes away their most important weapon.

1 vs 1 Semedo is way better than Roberto. Semedo's weak points in defense are down to lack of focus, and a bit of tactical indiscipline (probably down to the fact that this is his first season in a top league).

 

[JamDav1982]

That speed that you're talking about is vital in 1 vs 1. Speed and reaction speed are probably the most important defensive attributes for a fullback. The attacker always has an extra edge because he knows before the defender what he is going to do (action vs reaction scenario). So if the defender is a bit slow and weak he will never get on equal footing with the attacker. Because of this, because Roberto is lacking that spark, he always needs to gamble more than Semedo.

Semedo loses because of his erratic positioning and because he is sometimes not focused. Because of this he is surprised by the action. But he does not lose takeons. Many wingers in the game are pace merchants. Costa, Willian, Bale etc. Semedo is much better against them than Roberto will ever be, because he takes away their most important weapon.

Jesus christ. Speed is nowhere near the top attribute needed for a full back.

Roberto does not get dribbled to any great extent more than Semedo. It is overplayed and speed means fuck all if not good enough at other things anyway.

Of the two Roberto has the better defensive stats this season overall and fucking trounces Semedo in attacking and possession stats overall.

Semedo is not better vs those players at anything bar a foot race really and as stats show it is not nearly as big an issue as you like to make out.

Roberto also had two brilliant assists vs Real this season and fucked them from RB this season. He can affect them going other way in a way Semedo cant.