Nelson Semedo
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Co0ter
Senior Member
Semedo was one of our best players in the preseason. He was always better at defending 1 vs 1 than Roberto and his attacking showed a significant improvement during preseason. Roberto starting is a joke- we know he CAN play RB and cover, but he gets exposed all the time. He's awful 1 vs 1.Semedo should be starting regularly and we know he will only improve. With Roberto we already know what we have is what we are going to get.
serghei
Senior Member
A conservative coward will always choose the predictable safer option, than take a chance in the hope of something better.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
You guys do realize that it is not as if Semedo had only 45 minutes this season to show what he can?
EV, other coaches and a coaching staff is watching him every day on training grounds in 100s of different situations.
Ev knows EVERYTHING ab out him and how much he can offer.
So, if we move away from conspiracy theories and nude's of EV's wife, there is usually a reason why a player doesn't play.
Further, if Semedo is such a talent, then Portugal's NT coach would surely used him more.
He hasn't played too much at Barca (but played enough), and every NT coach would love to have such a talented player in his team at a World cup, right?
So, not only that EV is an idiot, then it also means that Portuguese NT coach is an idiot, even though he won Euros 2016 with a crappy team.
For those who will say: Semedo hasn't played too much at Barca, this is why a coach hasn't called him.
Semedo played 24 matches and and 2120 minutes for us.
So, he played a nice amount of matches.
My point: if a player is THAT GOOD, an NT coach will always call him, no matter how much he plays for a club.
Xavi missed the whole 2005/06 season due to knee injury and returned on a field in May.
And their NT coach still called him for a world cup 2006, since even injured and unfit Xavi is still a useful player.
Semedo wasn't injured or unfit.
So guys, there is a high probability that you are overratting Semedo A LOT out of need and desperation to find a good RB.
Roberto isn't world class, but that doesn't automatically make his competitor a good player either.
EV, other coaches and a coaching staff is watching him every day on training grounds in 100s of different situations.
Ev knows EVERYTHING ab out him and how much he can offer.
So, if we move away from conspiracy theories and nude's of EV's wife, there is usually a reason why a player doesn't play.
Further, if Semedo is such a talent, then Portugal's NT coach would surely used him more.
He hasn't played too much at Barca (but played enough), and every NT coach would love to have such a talented player in his team at a World cup, right?
So, not only that EV is an idiot, then it also means that Portuguese NT coach is an idiot, even though he won Euros 2016 with a crappy team.
For those who will say: Semedo hasn't played too much at Barca, this is why a coach hasn't called him.
Semedo played 24 matches and and 2120 minutes for us.
So, he played a nice amount of matches.
My point: if a player is THAT GOOD, an NT coach will always call him, no matter how much he plays for a club.
Xavi missed the whole 2005/06 season due to knee injury and returned on a field in May.
And their NT coach still called him for a world cup 2006, since even injured and unfit Xavi is still a useful player.
Semedo wasn't injured or unfit.
So guys, there is a high probability that you are overratting Semedo A LOT out of need and desperation to find a good RB.
Roberto isn't world class, but that doesn't automatically make his competitor a good player either.
CatalinR10
Senior Member
Semedo showed last year what he can only to be benched . I remember you ( not sure) and some other doubters saying every time he played amazing : ,, Well this wasn't such a good team , let's see against random better team how he plays to make better judgment " , then he proceed on playing good, again, against them using the same excuse . He played good vs Atletico : ,, Oh it wasn't such and important game anyways , against Juventus will be the real test " ,, Oh he played good vs Juventus aswell , he was probably lucky , vs RM will be his real test " and so on.
You are trying to justify him being shit cause Valverde would play him if he was good ? FUCKING LOL.
The same guy who didn't want to bench Suarez even ONCE cause he was/is shit ?
The same guy who put on Gomes when we were losing at Rome ?
The same guy who kept playing Gomes so many games for fuck knows what reasons ?
If you want to make a case agasint Semedo , Valverde is the last example you have to use in his case.
Saladin
Active member
First time I absolutely agree with everything in your post. Good points. I don't rate Semedo highly myself, TBF. He has shown some potential, but I believe the notion of Semedo needing more gametime is more a perspective stemming from frustration more than obvious ability. 'Cause as you state, Roberto is certainly no world-beater as a RB. He is a decent option, which is understandably frustrating, especially given that we have had the perhaps best RB in the world lining up, week in week out for over half a decade before Semedo/Roberto.
Our game has lacked pace, defensive stability (not that Alves offered much of that to be honest, but he was a force offensively which combined with possession-based style, camouflaged his defensive inabilities) and Semedo is a fast player who is marginally better defensively than Roberto; on the other hand, Semedo is also at times extremely frustrating as well, since his end-product is poor, his footballing intelligence is average (which is subpar for this particular club) and he has yet to develop any real momentum; he often makes bad decisions, bad crosses, bad passes which for Roberto is quite the opposite; Roberto is poor defensively, but an excellent passer, a decent crosser and overall has a better footballing 'brain' (he is no, Iniesta, sure but still clearly a La Masia through and through).
I would love to see us blowing the bank for a WC rightback like Kimmich, but at the moment we need to come to terms with our RB position is (still) one of our weaker spots.
Cule4life
The Culest
The same way Valverde knows everything about Suarez and Pique. Gotcha.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Suarez should play and he will score 20+ league goals.
About Pique, he is a legend, and it is hard to bench La Masia legends.
Busquets, Iniesta, Pique...
It is way easier to bench Suarez than Pique, due to those sentimental factors.
Regarding those single examples which both of you and Catalinutz mentioned, I could do the same:
Pep trusted to Bojan, Alexis Sanchez, Fabregas.
Even these 3 examples are enough to question Pep's IQ and footballing knowledge (if you get my point)?
So, EV playing Gomes is not that much dumber than playing Fabregas, ruining a winning team to play Fabregas, buying a dumb attacker Sanchez, buying Ibrahimovic, selling Etoo, buying Chyngrykiy etc.
With that logic you can turn every single coach into a moron and you can question his decisions.
For example, Man City has some 18 years old kid.
Someone on their forum says: we should play that 18 year old kid ASAP and bench Silva, for example.
Someone else may reply: are you serious? That young kid is nowhere near to a level of Silva.
The first guy may reply: That kid is awesome! Pep is an idiot, fraud and is scared to play youngsters!
2nd guy: lol, Pep is an idiot because he doesn't play an 18 years old kid, lol?
1st guy: yes. Pep already had lots of stupid decisions with Fabregas, Alexis, Bojan, Chyngrynskij, so these is surely one of those!
You see, with that logic, you can always find 1-2 mistakes from any coach.
Then you can point to those mistakes when you are asking for your new favorite player to play.
I'll do some examples now:
1. Malcom has to play, Suarez needs to be benched!
Why?
= because EV is dumb, we have seen it already in the case of Gomes
2. Alena should play right away as much as possible!
Why?
= because EV is dumb, we have seen it already in the case of Gomes
3. Puig should get more minutes!
Why?
= because EV is dumb, we have seen it already in the case of Gomes
4. Arthur should play right away as much as possible, he is the new Xavi!
Why?
= because EV is dumb, we have seen it already in the case of Gomes
5. Semedo needs to play all the time, he has a potential to be awesome RB!
Why?
= because EV is dumb, we have seen it already in the case of Gomes
So, basically, for any player who is not playing, you can make a case that a player is actually awesome and a hidden gem and he is not playing ONLY because EV is dumb.
And a proof that EV is dumb is: he played Gomes, lol.
EV made 5 good things and 1 bad thing, like all coaches, and you guys jump to those mistakes because your favorite new player is not playing.
At the end of a day, EV won a double, with 2 defeats in La liga and CDR, inspite of his mistakes.
A team with MSN lost a title in 2017, yet EV won a title with Messi and Suarez who shouldn't be playing according to guys here.
When you look at it that way, EV is a magician.
He won a title playing with only 6-7 players in a lineup.
Since Suarez, Pique, Rakitic, Paulinho, Gomes, Alex Vidal, Roberto and others are not footballers at all.
You see, EV is actually a genious.
He is crippling our squad and plays with horrible players to give more hope to our poor opponents.
And yet, EV is winning titles with his trolling lineups.
Even though we play with 6 players versus 11.
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Cule4life
The Culest
So bottomline you admit EV makes mistakes and he could be making a mistake by persisting with Semedo. That's all i waned to hear. And nobody said Pep is perfect. Why do you need to invoke Pep's name everytime we are debating a Valverde decision? Can't we judge Valverde on his own merits?
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Of course there is a theoretical chance that Semedo is actually an awesome player.
I mentioned Pep to prove that you can bring any coach and say how he is bad and MIGHT be doing a mistake regarding Semedo.
Instead of pointing to another case (Gomes), you should rather focus on WHY exactly Semedo should play, and there aren't too many reasons for it.
Except that Roberto is also meh, so let's hope that this one could be better.
And how a new toy always looks shinier than the older toy.
I'll add a few more statistical problems with Semedo:
1. he played only 1 full season in a 1st division before coming to Barca, and he will be 25 years old in 2 Months. So, a 25 years old player with 2 seasons in a top division
2. he has only 6 assists in his career in the 1st division, Roberto has 20
3. Semedo needs around 1000 minutes to create one assist. That is 11 full matches on average. That's on average 3 assists per season.
Roberto creates 1 assist each 500 minutes, once in 5-6 matches. That is 5-6-7 assists per season, on average.
Roberto had 7, 6 and 5 and assists in La Liga in the last 3 seasons.
And already 1 assist this season.
Jordi Alba had 8, 6 and 6 assists in the last 3 seasons.
Even Digne managed to have 2 assists last season in only 1000 minutes played.
Semedo has ZERO assists in 32 matches for Barca till now.
2166 minutes without an assist.
That is 24 FULL matches when you translate 2166 minutes into 90 minutes matches.
** Stats for CDR are not visible, btw.
6 assists in his whole career and 32 matches for Barca without an assist.
People should think a little but about it before calling EV a fraud, or how Roberto must have EV's nudes or something.
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Aryagorn
Improvin' Perfection!!
Why are we using the number of assists as a statistical tool to judge the performance of a defender again?
Full back's primary job is to defend - Not ball watch when the opponent are crossing the ball to an attacker at the far end!
We don't need the defenders to provide assists - Their help in the attack could even come with the runs they make to pull defenders towards them making room for the attacker to wreck havoc in the center!
BBZ8800
Senior Member
We are probably the most attacking team in the world.
Remember that we don't want to buy a goalkeeper unless he has awesome technique, first touch and passes.
In majority of La liga matches, Barca attacks for 70% of matches.
So, roughly, attacking/build up skills are more important for our fullbacks than defending.
That doesn't mean that he don't need to defend at all.
But roughly:
Good attacker, average defender > good defender, average attacker
Or in the case of Roberto and Semedo:
Average defender, average attacker > good defender, poor attacker
Cule4life
The Culest
We already have Alba has our main attacking FB. We need to have a balanced back line to avoid being run over.
And Semedo is no slouch in attacking. Many of Semedo's dangerous crosses have been wasted by a static Suarez. Him being benched regularly has hampered his ability to establish an understanding with his teammates.
And for me a FB needs to be able to defend first and foremost. Attacking comes secondary.
And we can look for a new RB next season if Semedo doesn't work out after being given enough chances. Roberto is not good enough to be our starter
And Semedo is no slouch in attacking. Many of Semedo's dangerous crosses have been wasted by a static Suarez. Him being benched regularly has hampered his ability to establish an understanding with his teammates.
And for me a FB needs to be able to defend first and foremost. Attacking comes secondary.
And we can look for a new RB next season if Semedo doesn't work out after being given enough chances. Roberto is not good enough to be our starter
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