Neymar Jr. - v5

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PhilS

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Neymar left in accordance with the express terms of his contract. Barca valued him extremely high, and has now been paid that insane price in cash.

The surprise to me is not that he left, but that he ever came. It is not normal for a talent of this level to go to a team where he cannot be the focal point. His shooting problems last year made me think that he might do better elsewhere, where he would know in his heart that he should be the one to take the shot.

What Barca got: The amazing show of MN the first year, then MSN. The three greatest offensive talents to ever play on the same team, who showed a level of teamwork offense that was just beautiful. He came in for a bargain price, though just a bit higher than the 57M euros initially announced. Lots of trophies, especially for a team that was badly balanced. Now, Barca has realized the highest profit ever on a player. Time to move on, spend the money wisely.

The timing of the payoff date of the loyalty clause in Neymar's contract determined the timing of his departure, which is bad for Barca. Neymar's claim to the loyalty clause payment does seem a bit much.
 
JackaL

JackaL

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It always baffles me how football fans react if a player leaves for another club at the one side (quick to call them mercenaries or money lovers, some even go so far as "brazilians are only interested in money") but always calling for new transfers every season and mid-season. The amount of ignorance it takes to see the footballing world as some sort of black and white world where one team is the best and everything is good about it and the others are all a bunch of loosers, including every player that leaves, doesn't perform, does some "weird" things. Just check the last 20-30 years in football, how it developed, how much money is involved because of TV-deals and the billionaire investors in the last decade, and how much fluctuation there is in the footballing job market.

Money is the most important factor for almost every player, just try to negotiate hard with Iniesta or Messi and see how they quickly look for new teams. Of course there are some special players that always stay with one team and I have a great respect for them, but they too stay because in that period the management does not fully fuck up, or their outside potential is not the "best", considering money, role on the field, winning probabilities etc. The equation changes almost every season and a star player does good managing his current and future career options as they only have a limited amount of playing time (10-15 years max?). Just think of our legend Xavi, he was thinking about leaving when Pep joined in 2008, only when Pep assured him he would be a key player, things changed.

Apart from money, we can still talk about the issues at hand, but the amount of irrational and emotional posts here is incredible. Starting with his father, insulting Neymar whenever there is an opportunity etc. Imagine yourself at 25, what decision would you take, some of you were probably just out of college recently, did you always take the right decisions in your life? How come you judge a guy so harshly here...

That said, I do believe the PSG decision is a wrong one for him, (1) because he goes to an inferior club, (2) because it is probably the weakest league in the big 5, (3) because it doesn't attract as many viewers / media as the EPL or the PD, I think part of his salary are his contracts with Nike and his social media persona etc. that heavily rely on media attention... On the other hand side, there was no other club that could match the release clause. I think the EPL has also a domestic version of FFP, so the clubs there might have been hesitant. But City, United, Chelsea, all would have been the better option for him.
 
Devils

Devils

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Neymar (yesterday): I only made my decision two days ago.

Scum trying to save face. Both Alves and Neymar are fucking clowns.
 
DennyCrane

DennyCrane

Senior Member
JackaL said:
It always baffles me how football fans react if a player leaves for another club at the one side (quick to call them mercenaries or money lovers, some even go so far as "brazilians are only interested in money") but always calling for new transfers every season and mid-season. The amount of ignorance it takes to see the footballing world as some sort of black and white world where one team is the best and everything is good about it and the others are all a bunch of loosers, including every player that leaves, doesn't perform, does some "weird" things. Just check the last 20-30 years in football, how it developed, how much money is involved because of TV-deals and the billionaire investors in the last decade, and how much fluctuation there is in the footballing job market.

Money is the most important factor for almost every player, just try to negotiate hard with Iniesta or Messi and see how they quickly look for new teams. Of course there are some special players that always stay with one team and I have a great respect for them, but they too stay because in that period the management does not fully fuck up, or their outside potential is not the "best", considering money, role on the field, winning probabilities etc. The equation changes almost every season and a star player does good managing his current and future career options as they only have a limited amount of playing time (10-15 years max?). Just think of our legend Xavi, he was thinking about leaving when Pep joined in 2008, only when Pep assured him he would be a key player, things changed.

Apart from money, we can still talk about the issues at hand, but the amount of irrational and emotional posts here is incredible. Starting with his father, insulting Neymar whenever there is an opportunity etc. Imagine yourself at 25, what decision would you take, some of you were probably just out of college recently, did you always take the right decisions in your life? How come you judge a guy so harshly here...

That said, I do believe the PSG decision is a wrong one for him, (1) because he goes to an inferior club, (2) because it is probably the weakest league in the big 5, (3) because it doesn't attract as many viewers / media as the EPL or the PD, I think part of his salary are his contracts with Nike and his social media persona etc. that heavily rely on media attention... On the other hand side, there was no other club that could match the release clause. I think the EPL has also a domestic version of FFP, so the clubs there might have been hesitant. But City, United, Chelsea, all would have been the better option for him.
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And yet, it's precisely the continous support of 'naive' fans who see the footballing world as black and white aka romanticism that enables this machine to generate the revenue it does. Without massive public demand by the unwashed masses this would be a niche sport generating revenues more in the sphere of sports stacking. In that case, Neymar would be doing the late shift at the local Kwik-E-Crap for minimum wage and struggle to pay his rent while the only thing his father would manage is beef on buns at McDonalds.

In other words: You're completely right, the perspective of the fans is unrealistic and irrational to a certain extent. It's not fair to shit on them though because at the end of the day, it's their money that buys tickets, merchandise and annual pay-tv subscriptions, thereby in effect paying player and executive salaries aka funding the entire industry.

As for Neymar, he's the actual loser in this transfer. He ditched the opportunity to become an all time great for Barcelona and instead chose to play for the flat track bully in a third tier league (kudos to kxevin). As for his comments about how he chose Paris because of the club itself, he apparently seems to believe that his fans are genuinely dumber than he is. Most likely, after three years of goofing around in Paris, constantly playing below his possibilities with a few glimpses of actual greatness and never getting near a CL or a BDor nomination, he'll wind up in Manchester for a last paycheck. That's what the legacy of the 2nd best player in the world will be. If he really wants that, so be it.

As for Barca, this transfer is a hard blow to the clubs prestige.
 
JackaL

JackaL

New member
I just partly agree. There are other popular sports (e.g., North American ones), don't know if their fans are as dillusional as football fans.

Yeah, I think Neymar either goes to the EPL or even Real Madrid, would expect it from him. As for the blow, yeah it is a serious one. Maybe strategically, BCN should have agreed to 200m or something, so that it looks like a negotiation.

In hindsight, letting Dani Alves go was maybe a mistake, at leats he was the closest one to Neymar, which seems kinda important for any player.
 
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