Neymar Jr. - v5

[JamDav1982]

I said mean nothing scoring 4 more goals. If you belive that their is a great differenze in scoring 16 or 20 goals, that is you opinion not an argument.
Hazard has the potential to score even 25 or 30 goals if he is puted in the right team like Man City. Chelsea is a difensive team, they create nothing for Hazard.
The average quality is more or less the same, is just that serie A, la Liga and premier (for me not Bundes) have more top teams, but the mediocre teams have more or less the same mediocrity.

A young Hazard scored more in his one season when he hit top form in France at a young age than has in EPL in any season since when he is a better player now.

The average quality isnt the same. French teams are poorer.

Hazard gets plenty created for him and has been focal point of their attack for years.

 

[Acer]

A young Hazard scored more in his one season when he hit top form in France at a young age than has in EPL in any season since when he is a better player now.

The average quality isnt the same. French teams are poorer.

Hazard gets plenty created for him and has been focal point of their attack for years.

A young Hazard scored more in his one season when he hit top form in France at a young age than has in EPL in any season since when he is a better player now.

The average quality isnt the same. French teams are poorer.

Hazard gets plenty created for him and has been focal point of their attack for years.

Hazard scored 7 goals in his second best season in Ligue 1.
And he is the same player sinze he left Lille, has never improved or getting worse in nothing.
No he has not plenty of chance, Chelsea always parking the bus and playing in counter attack with 2 Cdm and only two attackers.
Another things about Hazard his average dribbler per game in Ligue 1 was 2.7 in his best season in EPl he has performed 4.8 dribbles per game.
The average quality is more or less the same the best opposition is better in La Liga, Premier and Seria A.
There is not an argument Who prove the contrary, Just specutalations

 

[Neymessi]

And there you go again by bringing up messi as an example. You never read anything I post clearly do you?

You point out that rainbow flick was an isolated example but go on and put opponents quotes as if that means anything and every opponent feels that way.

You keep saying neymar dives but there are no hard facts that he does and at the end its judgemental so let it go. But are you saying the penalty neymar earned against PSG was a dive?

At this point you are just repeating shit again and again so I am going to ask you straight. What are the reasons you think he is fouled so much and rank them. You seem to agree that him dribbling a lot of players invites many fouls so I want to see where you rank that among dives etc.

 

[Jair Ventura]

The consistency at which French players leave Ligue 1 only to dominate neighboring leagues should be evidence enough that there isn't a huge gap between France and the rest of the big 5. The best players in England over the last 4 seasons have arguably been Hazard & or Kante, for example, and the latter came from Caen.

 

[Windhook]

The consistency at which French players leave Ligue 1 only to dominate neighboring leagues should be evidence enough that there isn't a huge gap between France and the rest of the big 5.

Not exactly. French clubs are missing something, I don't know what, but it makes them less competitive in European club tournaments. There is no denial that French football is in top 3 worldwide in youth development at the moment.

 

[Jair Ventura]

Not exactly. French clubs are missing something, I don't know what, but it makes them less competitive in European club tournaments. There is no denial that French football is in top 3 worldwide in youth development at the moment.

Money. Clubs like Lyon, Marseille, and Nice would be huge with proper finances.

 

[Windhook]

Money. Clubs like Lyon, Marseille, and Nice would be huge with proper finances.

How about tactical coaching?

Why couldn’t you beat a richer club? I’ve never seen a bag of money score a goal.

-Johan Cruyff

 

[Jair Ventura]

How about tactical coaching?

They could use more big name managers like Jardim and Rudi Garcia, but for the most part the tactical understanding of French players isn't an issue imo. That's part of the reason they can so easily move abroad without suffering. French football is in a good place right now tbh, bright future too with talents like Mbappe & Neymar around.

 

[BBZ8800]

The consistency at which French players leave Ligue 1 only to dominate neighboring leagues should be evidence enough that there isn't a huge gap between France and the rest of the big 5. The best players in England over the last 4 seasons have arguably been Hazard & or Kante, for example, and the latter came from Caen.

French players were always good in EPL, even in 90s and 00s.

About French teams, if they are that good, why top teams (except PSG) are not dominating Europe and why their 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th placed teams aren't doing anything in Uefa cup?

Champions league finals:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Cup_and_UEFA_Champions_League_finals

For example, last 20 years:;
Spain: 10 wins, 4 defeats=14 finals in total
Italy: 3 wins +5 defeats=8 finals in total
England: 3 wins + 4 defeats=7 finals in total
Germany: 2 wins + 5 defeats=7 finals in total
France: 0 wins + 1 defeat=1 final in total

Uefa cup, last 20 years:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UEFA_Cup_and_Europa_League_finals

Spain: 8 wins + 2 defeats=10 finals in total
Italy: 2 wins + 1 defeat=3 finals in total
Germany: 0 wins + 2 defeats=2 finals in total
England: 3 wins + 4 defeats=7 finals in total
France: 0 wins + 2 defeats=2 finals in total

Total Champions league+Uefa cup, last 20 years:
Spain: 18 wins + 6 defeats=24 finals in total
England: 6 wins + 8 defeats=14 finals in total
Italy: 5 wins + 6 defeats=11 finals in total
Germany: 2 wins + 7 defeats=9 finals in total
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France: 0 wins + 3 defeats=3 finals in total (finals in 1999, 2004 and 2004. 13 years without a final.)

On the other hand:
Portugal: 3 wins + 4 defeats=7 finals in total
Russia: 2 wins + 0 defeats=2 finals in total
Ukraine: 1 win + 1 defeat=2 finals in total
Netherlands: 1 win + 1 defeat=2 finals in total
Turkey: 1 win + 0 defeats=1 final in total
Scotland: 0 wins + 2 defeats=2 finals in total

So, WHY is French league mentioned as a Top5 league?
Shouldn't it be: top4 big leagues and then the rest of the world, 2nd tier leagues like France, Portugal (which has way more international trophies and finals than France), Russia, Ukraine, Netherlands, Turkey, Scotland etc?

Money. Clubs like Lyon, Marseille, and Nice would be huge with proper finances.

Portuguese clubs have a similar amount of money and better results, right?
Also, remove Psg from maths (a club created by a millionaire) and then Portuguese clubs are miles ahead of other, "regular" French clubs, right?

 

[Jair Ventura]

French players were always good in EPL, even in 90s and 00s.

About French teams, if they are that good, why top teams (except PSG) are dominating Europe and why their 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th placed teams aren't doing anything in Uefa cup?

Because growth and development take time. If you can't see the difference between French football 5 years ago and French football now than you haven't been paying attention. Last year France did well in Europe, this season they're performing better than German clubs. Steps in the right direction.

 

[henias]

[MENTION=16494]Neymessi[/MENTION] I already gave u the reasons and u still ask me why he is fouled so much lol. Just doesnt get into ur head? I nvr said he dives but u just insists on diving. A contact doesnt equate to bringing down players. But in Neymar's case majority of the contacts does bring him down, the sticking out of legs, slight bumps, I have seen plenty of these, players can often skip past these or hold their ground. Of course, it's technically a foul since they dont get a ball. But in most cases, refs dont call for foul unless players fall to the ground.

Again u like to give the impression that players around him seem to dislike him or have something against his playstyle but those tackles are nothing special. Most of them are just going for the ball,

If u are saying fouls are the reasons why it gives rise to his acts of aggression, then it makes no sense bcos there are players are fouled over 100 times a season, yet their acts of aggression are almost close to none. Unless someone's tryna break his legs with a 2 footed challenge, then I simply dont see why. Or if he provokes players first and end up drawing alot of negative attention, otherwise in a normal match, its nothing special. I dont see how players are always "fouling" him so much. Most challenges seems very minor.

And if u like to say why he got so many fouls is bcos he completed many dribbles, well no, some players have completed much more dribbles, with much lesser fouls inthe same league, La Liga, as well as in EPL. It's really not that complicated to think why he is so exceptionally "foulable", other than the reason that would likely hurt ur feelings.

 

[Horatio]

Because growth and development take time.

Backpeddling if I have ever seen it. In 20 years with no advancement you could be saying the same thing.

 

[KingLeo10]

"growth and development take time" how ironic considering PSG was nowhere to be found in europe before the cash injection from a state.

 

[xXKonan]

Bitch made.

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This one is a joke by ahmad though. But I still lol'd.

 

[Horatio]

This one is a joke by ahmad though. But I still lol'd.

Good thing you told me, would have never thought it.