Neymar Jr. - v5

[Barcaman]

Next season Neymar won't get this much time on the ball. Ever since Dani left most of our attacks go from left side (no Messi on the wing either).

Maybe this will help him as he is struggling for some time now.

 

[TornAndFrayed]

Everyone deserves the rightful blame. I don't see any bias for younger or older players here tbh. If you made a poll of someone who should be instantly sold or replaced, I think gomes would win by some margin, and he isn't old.

How is any of that relevant to my post ?

 

[mark1nhu]

Yea Suarez has declined so much this season compared to Neymar... Who is young so it doesn't matter ?

There are plenty of good young players out there. Keeping players because they are young makes no sense. Since criticizing Neymar is anathema, let's use Umtiti as an example. I don't care if he leaves if we get another good, young CB in his stead. Just because he's young doesn't mean he should get a free pass.

It's not the young players who can't leave, it's the old players who will have to be replaced eventually.

I think you misunderstood what he said.

He said we should keep them because they are young AND good (actually the best in their ages).

In Umtiti's case I would be mad as hell because I am sure we would struggle to find another player with his traits to our very specific play style. I don't believe at all we would easily find someone to do it, in this hypothetical case.

Same goes for both Neymar and Stegen.

 

[TornAndFrayed]

I think you misunderstood what he said.

He said we should keep them because they are young AND good (actually the best in their ages).

In Umtiti's case I would be mad as hell because I am sure we would struggle to find another player with his traits to our very specific play style. I don't believe at all we would easily find someone to do it, in this hypothetical case.

Same goes for both Neymar and Stegen.

I didn't. I refute the notion that because the team is aging, our young players become inherently more valuable --->

With the team aging the likes of Neymar, Ter Stegen and Umtiti must be kept at all costs

You being mad at Umtiti leaving because he'd be hard to replace has nothing to do with the age of other players.

 

[Lelouch vi Britannia]

I didn't. I refute the notion that because the team is aging, our young players become inherently more valuable --->

Bad young players (Paco, Gomes) aren't valuable. Good ones (Neymar, Mats, Umtiti) are. In an aging team that needs rebuilding, you can't get rid of the latter group.

 

[TornAndFrayed]

Bad young players (Paco, Gomes) aren't valuable. Good ones (Neymar, Mats, Umtiti) are. In an aging team that needs rebuilding, you can't get rid of the latter group.

Why not ? I don't see how other players aging affect their standing at all. The problem with an aging squad is that you have to replace the old players, not hold "at all costs" to the young good ones because the team is aging.

 

[DonAK]

Next season Neymar won't get this much time on the ball. Ever since Dani left most of our attacks go from left side (no Messi on the wing either).

Maybe this will help him as he is struggling for some time now.

Will help him, Alba and everyone else if the midfield and the right side is functional.

At least how it should.

 

[Lelouch vi Britannia]

Why not ? I don't see how other players aging affect their standing at all. The problem with an aging squad is that you have to replace the old players, not hold "at all costs" to the young good ones because the team is aging.

Good luck finding new replacements if you get rid of the replacements you already have.

Thiago was the obvious Xavi replacement. After he left, we still haven't found another one.

 

[TornAndFrayed]

Good luck finding new replacements if you get rid of the replacements you already have.

Thiago was the obvious Xavi replacement. After he left, we still haven't found another one.

I'm not saying we should get rid of them, but no player except Messi is indispensable to barcelona, young or not.
Thiago was the worst transfer of the decade along with the Ibra deal. But there are many young and promising CBs or midfielders today. Dahoud just signed for BvB for 10 million, apparently.

 

[mark1nhu]

Why not ? I don't see how other players aging affect their standing at all. The problem with an aging squad is that you have to replace the old players, not hold "at all costs" to the young good ones because the team is aging.

It's simple.

If you struggle to replace 3-4 old players, you'll struggle to replace them plus another 3-4 young players.

If a good part of the team is coming to an end, you should work to keep the rest of it (if obviously good) to have less problems with replacement.

 

[TornAndFrayed]

It's simple.

If you struggle to replace 3-4 old players, you'll struggle to replace them plus another 3-4 young players.

I simply don't get the logic in that.

 

[mark1nhu]

I simply don't get the logic in that.

If you don't think replacing 6-8 players is harder than replacing 3-4 players, then no matter what I say here you'll still don't get it.

 

[Neymessi]

To summarize it in one line, he isn't going to be and he surely doesn't need to be sold. He is not the problem or the reason we are doing bad. He is the best player right now below 27 and probably the best player in the LW position. His bad games are a result of bad tactics, not he himself being crap. I think this much should have been obvious by now.

 

[TornAndFrayed]

To summarize it in one line, he isn't going to be and he surely doesn't need to be sold. He is not the problem or the reason we are doing bad. He is the best player right now below 27 and probably the best player in the LW position. His bad games are a result of bad tactics, not he himself being crap. I think this much should have been obvious by now.

Summarize what ?

If you don't think replacing 6-8 players is harder than replacing 3-4 players, then no matter what I say here you'll still don't get it.

Too much fallacy here. It's usually not in the club's interest to sell good players, period. And if they were to be sold, it's because the offer is good and the replacement found, in which case, no problem. All that has nothing to do with replacing older players. Why would it make it harder ?

 

[Barcaman]

Now that he summarized I am sold. It's obvious he's been great because he's under 27. Messi and Suarez dont coun't as they are old and Neymar is missing sitters because of bad tactics and that's a facht!

Also, if you don't understand that no matter what I say more you'll never get it.