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Luftstalag14

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Both MD and Sport posted updates 2 hours ago that Coutinho is gone.
He won't play on Sunday (is it Arsenal iirc?).

MD posted tonight that we will let go Coutinho.
2 Manchester clubs have brought offers apparently.

Also, I am not an economist, there is some part about amortization and how we could earn on that part, due to his amortization from the next season.

Md even said that there is a chance to loan him with a mandatory purchase option.

So, Cou is gone, Malcom is gone.
We will now force Raki and/or Rafinha and 180m for Neymar is here.

Our future is dead with this idiot in our team.

2nd best player in the world, my ass, lol.

Where did you see that? Sport has been pathetically drumming for Neymar's return for weeks if not months and they are just "hoping" that we will find ways to sell Coutinho, meanwhile MD is saying we would allow Coutinho to leave on loan but for a 25-30m loan fee, :lol::lol::lol: are they fucking day dreaming??

The Catalan sports media are getting desperate but so far no, no takers for Coutinho. None.
 

Donatello

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Even if Coutinho is sold, Neymar is the wrong choice.


We need to start investing in some young attacker, or will be overpaying in desperation once Messi is gone.

Neymar isn't the long term option by any means. He's more of a luxury buy, but we don't even need that either.
 

Messigician

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People still doubt he is coming? Lol anyway I've been told to Shutup and keep things confidential so you will not here a word from here until everything is confirmed
 

Messi983

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Both MD and Sport posted updates 2 hours ago that Coutinho is gone.
He won't play on Sunday (is it Arsenal iirc?).

MD posted tonight that we will let go Coutinho.
2 Manchester clubs have brought offers apparently.

Also, I am not an economist, there is some part about amortization and how we could earn on that part, due to his amortization from the next season.

Md even said that there is a chance to loan him with a mandatory purchase option.

So, Cou is gone, Malcom is gone.
We will now force Raki and/or Rafinha and 180m for Neymar is here.

Our future is dead with this idiot in our team.

2nd best player in the world, my ass, lol.

I don't believe those rumours. But if we really want to get Neymar then loaning Coutinho (even if we get a 25-30M loan fee with obligatory buy next year which I doubt) won't help us much to get Neymar. Unless we would also use a loan with obligatory to buy. But we know how bad our relations with PSG are and I don't see them accepting this. So I think our best odds to get Neymar are to include Cou in a deal. If we'll loan him to EPL then I don't think we'll get Neymar. And I wouldn't mind that. Offloading Cou while not getting Neymar would be ideal for me. Sign Firpo ASAP, get whatever we can for Rafinha and sell one of Vidal/Raki (I like them both but we have too many players in midfield.) Then we can be done with the transfer window.


I'll try to explain about that amortization part.

According to BBC (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42580173) and other British sources we've paid £105m (around 115M€) with £37m (around 40M€) add-ons for Coutinho. So a total transfer fee is around 155M€. We don't know how much we have already paid to Liverpool until today (because we're probably paying in installments but this is irrelevant for this debate) and how much bonuses we'll need to pay but let's assume IF we'll loan/sell Cou now we'll have to pay around 130M€ in total because other conditions for add-ons (number of appearances, trophies won,...) won't be reached even if they are very realistic simply because of the fact he won't be here long enough.

Transfer fees are amortised over the lifetime of the player’s contract (transfer fee/length of player's contract). I'm not totally sure how add-ons are included and in Coutinho's case variable part is representing one quarter of the total transfer fee so it's a significant difference if we must include variable part or not. But I think clubs need to calculate entire transfer fee so with all included add-ons even if they are not met/paid later.

Coutinho has signed a 5,5 year contract in January 2018 so his annual amortisation cost is around 28M (155/5,5). In 1,5 years his amortized value is 42M while his unamortized cost is 113M (155-42). So we would need to sell him for 113M now if we wouldn't want to show a loss in the books. Next year his unamortized cost will be 85M so it would be enough to sell him for just that fee to not made an accounting loss on his transfer fee.

This is very simplified without taking wages into account but that's what MD article meant with "how we could earn with amortization" by loaning Cou. Obviously, the same would happen if he would stay here but we don't want him because we wouldn't get a loan fee, we would need to pay his wages and his market value would probably drop more.

Here is a more detailed explanation of the transfer amortisation accounting process based on Luis Suarez's example.

https://tomkinstimes.com/2014/07/ffp-and-the-amortisation-of-suarez
 

Messi983

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But we are not getting rid of any of those players (personally I don't want us to get rid of Dembele and Vidal), they are not going anywhere so we really don't have much maneuver room for further high-cost wages like Neymar's.

My point is that if we want to get Ney back we need to sell two of those mentioned players or include them in the deal which doesn't seem likely.

Transfer fee/convincing PSG to accept money+player(s) is a bigger problem than Neymar's wages.
 

Messi983

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I've found details about Coutinho's clauses mentioned above.

The Brazilian arrived at the Camp Nou a year and a half ago for 120 million euros, plus another 40m euros in bonuses.

The Guardian revealed the clauses, which seemed realistic at the time, but if he can be sold this summer it would save 25m euros for the Spanish club.

The 40m euros in variables are divided into 5m euros for qualification for the Champions League in his first year and another 5m euros for doing so in the second season, which is already achieved.

Another 5m euros come after playing 25 games, also achieved, but 20m euros will come after 100 games and another 5m euros for winning the Champions League.

https://www.marca.com/en/football/barcelona/2019/05/10/5cd34dda268e3ecb798b4642.html


So we'll have to pay 135 millions.
 

Raketa10

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To be fair Coutinho is a good option for PSG. Neymar in this state of mind is practically useless for them and NO ONE will pay 180 mil for him since no big club at the moment has that amount of money. Selling him to Barca for Coutinho + cash is basically only option they have. IMHO Coutinho could integrate much better with PSG than he did here.
 
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When Neymar is fit, PSG are the best team out of all 3 leagues.

Neymar and Mbappe are the best 2 players in all 3 leagues.

Biggest transfers sales out of all 3 leagues ? 1) Pepe 80m. 2) Ndombele 70m.

How is it clearly inferior to Bundesliga and Serie A?

Lol Juve would easily win against PSG. They have strong individual players but as a team Juve is better. Also Ronaldo is still a better player than Neymar if you look at the output from them.
 
Even if Coutinho is sold, Neymar is the wrong choice.


We need to start investing in some young attacker, or will be overpaying in desperation once Messi is gone.

Neymar isn't the long term option by any means. He's more of a luxury buy, but we don't even need that either.

THIS! Finally someone who understand football.
 

Messigician

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Watch this video of Mbappe pushing Neymar out of the celebration ⚠️<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSGRENNES?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSGRENNES</a> <a href="https://t.co/all9VK7uZ7">pic.twitter.com/all9VK7uZ7</a></p>— ♔ Sire_sommy ♔ (@sire_sommy) <a href="https://twitter.com/sire_sommy/status/1157664965454680064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

Jadentheman

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Even if Coutinho is sold, Neymar is the wrong choice.


We need to start investing in some young attacker, or will be overpaying in desperation once Messi is gone.

Neymar isn't the long term option by any means. He's more of a luxury buy, but we don't even need that either.

We all agree he should have never left. But see beyond what happened in 2017. Ney is the best choice and he wants to be here. And he's already integrated into the team so...
 

Jadentheman

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damn

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Watch this video of Mbappe pushing Neymar out of the celebration ⚠️<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSGRENNES?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSGRENNES</a> <a href="https://t.co/all9VK7uZ7">pic.twitter.com/all9VK7uZ7</a></p>— ♔ Sire_sommy ♔ (@sire_sommy) <a href="https://twitter.com/sire_sommy/status/1157664965454680064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yep PSG needs to let him go or prepare for a very toxic dressing room situation with Mbappe vs Neymar feud.
 
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