Neymar Jr.

[Lutece FC]

Because they know damn well Neymar is not worth 220m euros. He's been injured the last 2 seasons, wants out and only wants to move to Barcelona.

At Max Neymar is only worth between 160m to 170m.... and that's me being generous.

It's always difficult to evaluate player. But as i said when you see the market. Maguire 87 M€, Lukaku 82 M€ or Griezman 120 M€ ...

You can't be serious in your evaluation, or you don't follow football. Injuries or not, we talked about facts.

Facts are clear, when Neymar plays, he is the best player of his team in every match. His stats are incredible. Only Messi can do that.

 

[DonAK]

Well i thought the same thing in the beginning. You can read my posts in July here. I said, that i suspect the Barca board to not want him in reality, and they moved only to send a message to the squad whish push a lot for Neymar. But as i said many time, things change rapidly in football. More than rapidly. It's incredible. The first bad result, the poor performance of Dembele (and injured) and Coutinho, Suarez who is old, Messi injured. I think the board and Valverde began to be ... not afraid but anxious.

PLUS, and it's important in Barca, the pressure of fans and socios. Be president of Barca, it's in fact a political position. You're a politician. Barto is a bad politician. But he wants to keep his seat and elections are coming. So when people pushed hard for Neymar plus the squad, his friends, Suarez, Messi, Alba, Busquets pushed aswell... Barto had no choice. They started to negotiate. And now i really feel a panic situation in Barca.

Bartomeu cannot run for elections again in 2021 and the mood in Barcelona when it comes to Neymar isn't exactly positive either. A lot of high profile reporters and journalists, even those who have shilled for Bartomeu and this board are against signing Neymar.

So politically this can be a suicide, especially if they sign him for a price they cannot afford which puts the club under risk economically. Bartomeu and this board won't be able to show their faces again if it's proven in 2021 that they fucked up the club's finances.

 

[xxxxxx]

This is your valuation and maybe Barça valuation but not PSG valuation.

You are acting as if you are new to transfers. Was Maguire really worth 93 M ? No. But it was what Leicester was asking. If you don't want to pay the price, you can't buy the selling club. Imagine you want to buy an house worth 250 k€ in your book but the selling person wants 350 k€. What will happen ? Will you be justified to say they are being difficult ? Especially when you have just spent 120 k€ to buy your new car (Griezmann) ?

As I said, Grizemann has been performing at the highest level for the past 5 seasons and hasn't been injured. Plus, he didn't sulk before he moved to Barcelona. He was worth the 120m euros.

When you bought Neymar from us for 222m euros, he rarely got injured and was performing at the highest level for the past 3 seasons.... and even then you overpaid for him. He was probably only worth something like 160m euros back then. He's missed so many games the last 2 season due to injury. He also wants out.... and he only wants to play for Barcelona. You can't honestly tell me his valuation has stayed the same after those reasons?

 

[Newcomer]

You think you will get 210m next summer? The point is that Barca are not desperate enough to dish out the money PSG want and you'll not be in a position to demand the same a year later.

I don't mind if you keep him and we simply move on. Neymar's made his bed, should lie in it and cry if he want to.



Man Utd is hardly a great example of a well run football club. They should have accepted 150-160m for Pogba. He'll have a year left in his contract next year and they'll have to sell him for 120-130m.

MU has contracts allowing them to unilaterally raise a +1 year on their player contract. They'll do so with Pogba who will then have two years on his contract.
And MU has correctly identified that Pogba is their best player by a country mile, like Neymar in PSG.

Think about it. Why would MU be only the club to get milked (for Maguire and co.) ? Pogba is their biggest asset and should get as much as possible for him. I totally understand it from their point of view.

 

[Zica]

What we think about the price don't matter. The thing is Barça had the money but preferred to spend it on Griezmann. It is now rich to come and say PSG is difficult when you had the money. You made the choice not to spend it on Neymar. If things are difficult now, it is because Neymar was clearly not your priority. For PSG, that money is essencial because it will be used to launch a new cycle. PSG has again sold another academy player for 12 M€ today (Nsoki). So the difference in value 220-170 = 50M) is pretty important for PSG.

Barca struck a deal with Griezmann before Neymar became available.

 

[DonAK]

MU has contracts allowing them to unilaterally raise a +1 year on their player contract. They'll do so with Pogba who will then have two years on his contract.
And MU has correctly identified that Pogba is their best player by a country mile, like Neymar in PSG.

Think about it. Why would MU be only the club to get milked (for Maguire and co.) ? Pogba is their biggest asset and should get as much as possible for him. I totally understand it from their point of view.

I don't think that applies to Pogba though. As far as I know he doesn't have an option for another year, but I could be wrong.

Man Utd got milked for Maguire since he's

1. English so he'll cost more money just because of that
2. They couldn't get any of the other high profile CBs like Koulibaly or de Ligt

Man Utd's reputation is pretty bad. They're like a club ran by amateurs and are not in the CL. Most players don't want to go there if they have other good options.

They were basically desperate.

I don't think Barcelona should be desperate. I wouldn't mind Neymar re-joining, but not for the price PSG want. You can keep him and fight each other like a married couple about to break up while we could go looking for another LW for 2020 and hopefully a new manager too.

 

[Newcomer]

As I said, Grizemann has been performing at the highest level for the past 5 seasons and hasn't been injured. Plus, he didn't sulk before he moved to Barcelona. He was worth the 120m euros.

When you bought Neymar from us for 222m euros, he rarely got injured and was performing at the highest level for the past 3 seasons.... and even then you overpaid for him. He was probably only worth something like 160m euros back then. He's missed so many games the last 2 season due to injury. He also wants out.... and he only wants to play for Barcelona. You can't honestly tell me his valuation has stayed the same after those reasons?

The thing is nobody is forcing Barça to buy Neymar.

Barça is willingly engaging itself in buying Neymar.

Neymar has a pricetag.

If you want to buy something on the market, you better have the money to reach (or get as close as possible to) the pricetag.

Now, if you go spend all your money elsewhere (even if it was a sensible buy), you can't go crying because the selling club is holding his price demands. In this case, PSG is even allowing ease of payment by including players and not putting a deadline. You can't get much nicer than that.

 

[Newcomer]

I don't think that applies to Pogba though. As far as I know he doesn't have an option for another year, but I could be wrong.

Man Utd got milked for Maguire since he's

1. English so he'll cost more money just because of that
2. They couldn't get any of the other high profile CBs like Koulibaly or de Ligt

Man Utd's reputation is pretty bad. They're like a club ran by amateurs and are not in the CL. Most players don't want to go there if they have other good options.

They were basically desperate.

I don't think Barcelona should be desperate. I wouldn't mind Neymar re-joining, but not for the price PSG want. You can keep him and fight each other like a married couple about to break up while we could go looking for another LW for 2020 and hopefully a new manager too.

I agree about all you have said. But if Barça is not desperate, they don't need Neymar and can walk out of a deal. However, here, people are trying to make it out like PSG is the greedy one. It is funny.

PSG isn't holding a gun on Barça to keep them coming for Neymar.

 

[DonAK]

I agree about all you have said. But if Barça is not desperate, they don't need Neymar and can walk out of a deal. However, here, people are trying to make it out like PSG is the greedy one. It is funny.

PSG isn't holding a gun on Barça to keep them coming for Neymar.

Yeah, although I think 170m is a good deal for you guys. Keeping a player like that is never a good idea. I wouldn't want Barca to keep a player like that either as I think Neymar and his clan are capable of creating enough trouble to sink your season.

 

[xxxxxx]

It's always difficult to evaluate player. But as i said when you see the market. Maguire 87 M€, Lukaku 82 M€ or Griezman 120 M€ ...

You can't be serious in your evaluation, or you don't follow football. Injuries or not, we talked about facts.

Facts are clear, when Neymar plays, he is the best player of his team in every match. His stats are incredible. Only Messi can do that.

That's my whole point..... if Neymar is fit. He's a great player when he's fit, but he's missed so many games in the past 2 season due to injury. Yes, big injuries do play a factor in the valuation. Nobody wants to pay big money on a player potentially missing half the season due to injury.

You keep bringing up these 3 players. Yes, Inter overpaid for Lukaku, but they didn't massively overpay for him. Lukaku is worth around 60m to 70m in the market today. He's still young and still can perform. Plus, he hasn't been injured the past 2 seasons. Yes, Utd overpaid for Maguire, but they also didn't overpay massively for him. He's probably worth around 55m to 60m in the market today. He's still young and did perform very well for Leicester.... plus, he's English and they're also more expensive for English teams. And yet again, Maguire hasn't been injured the past 2 seasons. None of those guys sulked their way out of their teams. Grizemann is easily worth the 120m euros. He's performed the past 5 seasons at the highest level. He's not even been injured all that much.

Barcelona would be overpaying by like 50m to 60m if they meet PSG's valuation of Neymar. That's massively overpaying for him. You can't say he's worth 220m euros when he's literally been injured for half the season for the past 2 seasons. He also wants to leave and only wants to go to Barcelona. That puts his valuation down a lot. I understand PSG want a good price for him, but they're being very unreasonable here.

 

[Newcomer]

Yeah, although I think 170m is a good deal for you guys. Keeping a player like that is never a good idea. I wouldn't want Barca to keep a player like that either as I think Neymar and his clan are capable of creating enough trouble to sink your season.

I'm not a specialist bu a guy on our forum said (he knew about Neymar wish to leave before it was announced in the press) that he knows the financial part of Neymar for PSG. The analysis is PSG should get 200-220 M€ to be ok. A lower value and PSG is in bad shape. But lately, he is fearing PSG will lower their demands and go below the recommendation. This deal and its value is vital for PSG

PSG wants to sell Neymar because they can't invest anything in the market anymore.

 

[LABarcaFan]

It's maybe like that, maybe not. Everyone will know it in a very short time.

But I think 90% of Barca fans here have no idea how a transaction of this large volume is usually done in the sports world.
Barca is one of the the largest clubs on Earth, therefore the club has plenty of sponsors, industrial ones and private alike.

If the club wants to buy a 2nd goalkeeper or Denis Suarez, they usually do not care. But if it comes to Neymar, one of the best footballers on the planet with a HUGE MARKETING value, they start thinking differently.
So it is highly possible if Barca really want Neymar (I was quite reluctant to believe that but it seems to be true) then there are at least half a dozen billionaire private sponsors and maecenas, who can help the club in case they also like the deal and if it is true that Barca has less cash than usually.

So let's say they buy Neymar for 200 millions, at least half of that can be relatively easily gathered from anonym but helpful sponsors, and Neymar's extremely high marketing value can easily bring tens of millions in a year or so.

I do understand that some folks here always worry about the financial situation of the club, but that's not really needed.
Barca can relatively easily manage 200 if they want it - with a little help from some friends, that is.

Respectfully, I have to disagree with this post. Seems like you are not aware of the financial situation of Barca.

The finances of the club are under strong observation from UEFA and FIFA. Same as Real M. the club owes very big amount of money to his creditors and banks. In no way, the board of the directors will approve an amount of 200 million euro to get Neymar. That is not 100%, it is 200% sure.It's the reason, our delegation in Paris is trying to include in the deal several our players, so they can reduce the cash amount needed to complete it. But, all three of them - Todibo, Rakitic and Dembele are refusing to move to Paris. In that case, the only way to get Ney is to pay the entire amount in full, up front. I already explained that it won't happen, but lets just imagine we have pad the sum and he comes back. Then FIFA will step in very quickly. Barcelona will be banned for at least 3 years from any additional transfers. On the top of that, for violating the Financial Fair Play rules, the club will have to pay very heavy amount of penalties.All that for whom? For one very talented, but careless person, who does not care if he plays in Barcelona or Real M. as long as he get whatever he wants. And for a player, who is still injured from June and has not participated in any training activities so far. That is too big of a risk. If you are the one, who have to pay that 200 million euros, are you going to do it? I am sure, deep inside, you will say - NO. So don't ask then others to do that. This people are millionaires and billionaires, but they don't collect their money from the trees.They know what smart investment is all about. And this Neymar saga is not a smart deal for Barcelona.

 

[Newcomer]

https://vimeo.com/356998206

The complete interview of Leonardo.

He shows he is very open to a sale. Even willing to accept players. Saying he is not the one asking for players but he accepts Barça don't have the money so he is willing to help if the players are of his liking.

He is also saying that he needs a replacement for Neymar in the deal because it is late in the window. Prolly why the Dembélé loan was part of the deal.

And he is kinda saying the same thing i pointed out here (at 6 min 20): clubs have done operations earlier in the window and don't have money now. I see it as a slight dig as Barça spent that money earlier on Griezman and is only coming on 27/08 with an offer for Neymar that doesn't meet their demands.

 

[LABarcaFan]

Even if Neymar comes, without sacrificing any player, we still don't have whatever it takes to win the CL. All our 30+ y.o. players are injured and it will continue from now on. Malcom and Coutinho are gone. Dembele is not a player you can relay on for big games and on the top of it, he is injury prone. Griezmann is just Griezmann. He is not Messi, nor Neymar. At the middle at the moment, we have only one quality player, FDJ and no one else. Arthur is not bad, but there is no much upside in his game. At the back, consistently playing in a high level is only Alba. Semedo,Pique and Lenglet are midlevel players. Ter Stegen is as always solid. So as a quality at the moment we have - Ter Stegen, J.Alba, F.de Jong and Messi. Adding Neymar to them won't change the team that much. We need new, quality players at many positions. By chasing Neymar in the last 2 months, we spent our time in vain. On Monday, the transfer window will close and we are going to be CAPOT.

 

[Armchair Expert]

Even if Neymar comes, without sacrificing any player, we still don't have whatever it takes to win the CL. All our 30+ y.o. players are injured and it will continue from now on. Malcom and Coutinho are gone. Dembele is not a player you can relay on for big games and on the top of it, he is injury prone. Griezmann is just Griezmann. He is not Messi, nor Neymar. At the middle at the moment, we have only one quality player, FDJ and no one else. Arthur is not bad, but there is no much upside in his game. At the back, consistently playing in a high level is only Alba. Semedo,Pique and Lenglet are midlevel players. Ter Stegen is as always solid. So as a quality at the moment we have - Ter Stegen, J.Alba, F.de Jong and Messi. Adding Neymar to them won't change the team that much. We need new, quality players at many positions. By chasing Neymar in the last 2 months, we spent our time in vain. On Monday, the transfer window will close and we are going to be CAPOT.

I think Liverpool and City would still beat us more often than not but we should still be be clear favorites against anyone else if we get Neymar.

(my 50th post here btw)