Neymar - v2

[JamDav1982]

Tello and Deulofeu are the type of players who can disrupt the opposition defense, Pedro can really be a havoc in attack in a different way.

For Neymar to be a good signing:
-Needs to get humble and unselfish. Can't demand high wages and he has to live with playing 2nd fiddle to Messi, it's not all about him.
-Needs to be a disciplined and motivated athlete, not a lazy partying idiot who spends all his time drinking, going to clubs, or messing with his haircut to look good for the media.
-Needs to cut out the diving as much as possible.
-Needs to learn how to operate without space and not over-rely on his tricks and skill moves
-Needs to get stronger and shield the ball instead of running blindly at defenders
-Needs to have a good goalscoring and assisting record.
-Needs to be consistently good, not just scoring hat tricks vs Mallorca but then disappearing or failing against teams like Real, Atletico, etc.

Overall I believe he'll be forced to change his playing style too much at too late a period in his development to ever be near the levels of Messi or Ronaldo. Might score 15 and assist 15 per season, which is alright, but not good enough to warrant his price tag or any of the hype. Just because he could be a good player doesn't mean he'll ever be worth all the time and effort into bring and integrating him into the team. Even if he isn't a total flop, it doesn't mean he'll be a good transfer.

Delofeu and Tello have proved nothing yet and neither are even close to the level of Neymar!!

1. Neymar doesnt drink - should know what you are talking about before spouting off about a player/
2. He is a team player and is not all that selfish - celebrates as much as anyone when someone else scores.
3. He does indeed dive and will need to work on stopping that... but there are other player at Barca who dive to be fair.
4. He operates without space all the time and is one of the best in the world in tight situations - just needs to learn when to release the ball earlier.
5. 'Needs to be consistently good, not just scoring hat tricks vs Mallorca but then disappearing or failing against teams like Real, Atletico, etc' - not one player other than Messi did that this season, if he helps improve the attack against the top teams that should be enough.

No one is saying he will be at the standard of Messi!! If that is what you are measuring against then no wonder you think he will be a failure.

Too late in his development??? He is 21!!

 

[Hamzah]

Delofeu and Tello have proved nothing yet and neither are even close to the level of Neymar!!

1. Neymar doesnt drink - should know what you are talking about before spouting off about a player/
2. He is a team player and is not all that selfish - celebrates as much as anyone when someone else scores.
3. He does indeed dive and will need to work on stopping that... but there are other player at Barca who dive to be fair.
4. He operates without space all the time and is one of the best in the world in tight situations - just needs to learn when to release the ball earlier.
5. 'Needs to be consistently good, not just scoring hat tricks vs Mallorca but then disappearing or failing against teams like Real, Atletico, etc' - not one player other than Messi did that this season, if he helps improve the attack against the top teams that should be enough.

No one is saying he will be at the standard of Messi!! If that is what you are measuring against then no wonder you think he will be a failure.

Too late in his development??? He is 21!!

Agreed plenty of time to develop his game if he is humble and works hard.

 

[JamDav1982]

hes playing today.. second game of the final of paulistao in like 40 minutes...
corinthians is the superior team tho, lets see what happens.

He cant win.

If he scores a hat trick the Brazilan league is cr4p. If he doesnt then he is cr4p.

People on here have an agenda against Neymar and point to things he has not yet done, totally ignoring all the things he has achieved in his career to date.

They just sound like the EPL Messi haters who used to claim he couldnt do it against the top teams or in their country.

 

[DonAndres]

Delofeu and Tello have proved nothing yet and neither are even close to the level of Neymar!!

1. Neymar doesnt drink - should know what you are talking about before spouting off about a player/
2. He is a team player and is not all that selfish - celebrates as much as anyone when someone else scores.
3. He does indeed dive and will need to work on stopping that... but there are other player at Barca who dive to be fair.
4. He operates without space all the time and is one of the best in the world in tight situations - just needs to learn when to release the ball earlier.
5. 'Needs to be consistently good, not just scoring hat tricks vs Mallorca but then disappearing or failing against teams like Real, Atletico, etc' - not one player other than Messi did that this season, if he helps improve the attack against the top teams that should be enough.

No one is saying he will be at the standard of Messi!! If that is what you are measuring against then no wonder you think he will be a failure.

Too late in his development??? He is 21!!

He's 21 but he's already refined his style so yes he is late in his development, though it'll definitely shake up a lot when he makes the move to Europe so we might see him back at square one.

Neymar has been late to training, goes to clubs often, and does party a lot. Not something that he should be doing as an athlete.

Never said he has to be at Messi levels (which is actually what he's compared to a lot), but with all this hype one would expect him to be scoring 40 a season and being right up there with the best. He'll be a good player but worth 45-60 million? hardly. The only reason people rate him as that is because he's a big name and an icon. And he'll likely never be able to reach the levels he's hyped up to if he's always going to be playing 2nd fiddle to Messi, he'd be better off at another team.

 

[JamDav1982]

He's 21 but he's already refined his style so yes he is late in his development, though it'll definitely shake up a lot when he makes the move to Europe so we might see him back at square one.

Neymar has been late to training, goes to clubs often, and does party a lot. Not something that he should be doing as an athlete.

Never said he has to be at Messi levels (which is actually what he's compared to a lot), but with all this hype one would expect him to be scoring 40 a season and being right up there with the best. He'll be a good player but worth 45-60 million? hardly. The only reason people rate him as that is because he's a big name and an icon. And he'll likely never be able to reach the levels he's hyped up to if he's always going to be playing 2nd fiddle to Messi, he'd be better off at another team.

Nope I rate him from what I have seen of him.

I will let you think what you like about Neymars lifestyle which is very little based on the fact you thought he was a big drinker when he doesnt even drink.

I agree he will never reach the level of Messi - but that doesnt make him a failure.

He is going to be phenomenal at Barca if he signs and will add a whole new dimension to an attack that has been worked out in the biggest games.

 

[heaver]

He cant win.

If he scores a hat trick the Brazilan league is cr4p. If he doesnt then he is cr4p.

People on here have an agenda against Neymar and point to things he has not yet done, totally ignoring all the things he has achieved in his career to date.

They just sound like the EPL Messi haters who used to claim he couldnt do it against the top teams or in their country.

only that it doesnt matter what anyone here thinks as no one here is the one actually deciding if barca will buy neymar and for how much. it is an appreciation/speculation/discussion thread, but some people like to think theyre in the actual board of directors of barca, others like to think they can see the future and some are just haters haha

on another note, I could care less who wins the match today, just hope he plays well

 

[JimmyGuitarist]

I never said bArca should change, but expect different play from opponents and be ready to deal with it. Also people take these small advantages al the time, even we do it with diving. Everyone does these small dirty tactics it's reality, can't bury your head in the sand. When your at home you se the pitch to suit you. Do you want us to make the pitch muddy if stoke came to suit them? No we make the pitch to suit us as we're the home team.

Ready to deal with a waterlogged pitch? Preparations for a football game shouldn't involve preparing for un-footballing tactics from the opposition. And barring one game against Real Madrid in a CL final, in response to Madrid's prepared dirty tactics, I can't actually remember a game where Barcelona have actually used diving as a method to frustrate or beat an opponent. Barcelona didn't bury there head in the sand, they tried there best but a waterlogged pitch simply doesn't cater for there style: And two goals which shouldn't have counted didn't help the matter.
Still, Barca can take some comfort from that game. Bayern's puddle fucked up there kick-off.

Spoiler: video

01:07

 

[Hamzah]

It's their home pitch. Nothing you can do its their decision what they do with it. Play well and mentally strong to deal with the inconvenience and take a result back to camp nou where you can turn the tables on them and prepare the pitch to suit your style and not theirs. Sounds fair to me.

 

[Kerrybai]

How was that system working out for you in the CL semis, by the way?

The system is fine. It just needs to be tweaked. Our wingers need to be given instruction to move more off the ball by taking up central positions in front of Messi throughout the game/ taking up positions on his shoulder.

With regard to Neymar's marketing potential. Gate receipts at Santos rose by virtually 100% between 2009-10). Neymar has also attracted investors and the club claims their sponsorship income ballooned by a mouthwatering 438% in the 2010-2012 period.

'Figures published by Santos in May show that since the man with South America’s most famous Mohican broke into the first team in 2009, turnover went up by 168 percent, reaching £60.1 million last year. The cash boost was enough to catapult Santos from ninth to fourth in the top 20 richest clubs in Brazil.'

Forget shirt sales, there are several other ways to make money off of Neymar ( image rights etc ). Of course commercial benefits come second but it's important to take these benefits into consideration when we analyse Neymars price tag.

 

[DonAndres]

Rewatching that game is just depressing. Shows everything Bayern are doing right and everything we are doing wrong.

 

[mitkoa7x]

Rewatching that game is just depressing. Shows everything Bayern are doing right and everything we are doing wrong.

Which is everything except breathing maybe...

 

[darthvader7888]

The system is fine. It just needs to be tweaked. Our wingers need to be given instruction to move more off the ball by taking up central positions in front of Messi throughout the game/ taking up positions on his shoulder.

Agree. Tactical changes are needed (better pressing, better movement, playing a striker in front of Messi at times, etc), but a complete overhaul is not. I also think we should be more flexible tactically (meaning being able to make other tweaks if/when things aren't working out), but again, we don't need to overhaul the system completely.

 

[yeswecan]

 

[Robbie]

if you guys get Neymar, can we have Deulofeu?

 

[DonAndres]

if you guys get Neymar, can we have Deulofeu?

Wenger would be better at handling Deulofeu than Tito, that's for sure