Neymar - v2

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Metaphysical

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he's a fantastic player but given Pedro's season being a confirmation, Bojan improving (and having the backing of the coaches) and Afellay looking very promising as a supersub, Neymar just doesn't doesn't fit in our front line. I hope he goes somewhere that can nuture his talents correctly, because he's even better than Robinho was at that age.

Ganso is bananas. I think he'll be brilliant wherever he goes.
 

Raed

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he's a fantastic player but given Pedro's season being a confirmation, Bojan improving (and having the backing of the coaches) and Afellay looking very promising as a supersub, Neymar just doesn't doesn't fit in our front line. I hope he goes somewhere that can nuture his talents correctly, because he's even better than Robinho was at that age.

Ganso is bananas. I think he'll be brilliant wherever he goes.

They have more swagger than I the entire Brazilian team had in the last 4-5 years, so refreshing. But to have shit attitude so early in their careers is a bit of a red flag but hey, these are Brazilians. Shit attitude is never going to change, it would be managed. Eto'o has one of the worst attitudes in Europe but he has been lucky to have had coaches who have managed it in the most proper way to turn him into top 3 strikers of the decade.

Everything is poisonous but nothing is poisonous. Neymar may have an attitude but if surrounded with a healthy surrounding and keep him busy he will blossom. Same goes for Ganso.

The question here though that comes up is why should anyone deal with such attitudes in the first place when talent is in abundance and there are players out there who work really hard. Simply because they define a generation. Ronaldinho was only good for 4-5 years of his career but he had Barcelona going on for much longer than that, even when he left. Players like Neymar or Ganso (especially the latter) who bring samba bring life and heat.

Players love training with them, love watching them play, attract attention and attract and when they perform an ever lasting sense of joy is instilled. I am not saying these players will flourish or become anything special, but for someone who grew up on football mid 90s, I am still attached to personalities like Romario (Brazil 94).

There was a certain element of defiance which is lacking in Europe's football these days, the sort of players who did what they wanted, whenever they wanted because they wanted and they did what they wanted. You know why? Because they earned it.

Then again, I love capable players who are bad asses. In Neymar and Ganso I see street talent which is baller. I just hope they are surrounded with the proper teams under proper coaches. But they need the Hierro's, the Dungas, the Puyols to pull the strings in when they stray far away.
 

La Furia

Legion of Doooom
There's different levels of shit attitude though. Every ultra-skilled Brazilian prospect will be arrogant, but Neymar is an extreme even by that standard. Ronaldinho was a lazy party boy but he was also by all accounts a nice guy and good teammate, Eto'o's outburts rarely interrupt games where he fights until the end, Neymar's personality reminds me more of an Adriano or Robinho who folds at the first real challenge.

I'm not sure where your nostalgia is coming from though, there's plenty of arrogant primadonnas who do whatever they want in European football, just because they don't fit the vague and meaningless marketing concept/ethnic stereotype of "samba" just shows that there's not as direct of a correlation as you are implying.

Brazilian talent will rise again, it always does, Ganso for instance is an intriguing prospect but Neymar seems to me to be a living parody of a Brazilian wonderkid.
 

Blaugrana94

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I've only seen him in videos - But he seems like a huge talent. Is he not too expensive? I have read many rumors that Chelsea have offered about 40 mil for him.
 

AnfieldEd

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LOL If chelsea buy him for £40m I'll piss myself laughing.

In fact if any club buys Neymar for £40m I'll piss myself laughing.
 
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Valon

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I'd love to see Ganso in Villareal first myself. I think it'd be a great move and he would get used to Europe there then move to a bigger club after two seasons or so.
 

Metaphysical

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don't be silly. Robinho is not comparable to Adriano. at all.

Robinho is a party boy who wasn't treated well by Schuster, and his agent used this fact and gave him some HORRIBLE advice, making a bad situation worse. as much as he was uncomfortable at Real, he was still showcasing his talent. the move to City was a disaster that nearly destroyed his reputation, but he's recovering at Milan.

anyone who watched him for Brazil knew he was never a bust. if they claimed otherwise (having watched him for Brazil, mind) they're just retarded. the man played with swagger in Dunga's Brazil ffs, and was basically 60% of the reason that team was any good in attack and actually won games (Maicon and Elano were 15% each, the rest combined for 10%).

I'd love to see Ganso in Villareal first myself. I think it'd be a great move and he would get used to Europe there then move to a bigger club after two seasons or so.

good call.

doubt Villarreal have the scrilla needed to make Santos agree to sell.
 

DucdeOrléans

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Ridiculous to talk about his bad attitude? Come on, give me a break he is 19 years old and only had a few episodes where he caused problems. He has improved heavily in the last months. Already to compare him with Adriano etc. is just stupidity.

If Andy Caroll is worth 40 mio Euros, Neymar (who is WAY more talented) is worth mimimum 30 mio Euros. Especially considering his age and potential.
 

Raed

Dr. Raed St. Claire
Ridiculous to talk about his bad attitude? Come on, give me a break he is 19 years old and only had a few episodes where he caused problems. He has improved heavily in the last months. Already to compare him with Adriano etc. is just stupidity.

If Andy Caroll is worth 40 mio Euros, Neymar (who is WAY more talented) is worth mimimum 30 mio Euros. Especially considering his age and potential.

Never bring Andy Caroll into any situation because we all know how retarded this is. 25 MAX. Couldn't careless how talented he is. Prices still need to be reasonable, all this ends up coming out of the fan's pockets.
 

DucdeOrléans

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Why should it be retarted? You don't think Andy Carolls price will have a influence on the prices in the upcoming transfer market?

You clearly have not watched Neymar in action. We are talking about a player who dominates the league at the age of 18 and has a enormous potential. To put it into perspective. Keirrison was bought for 15 mio euros 2 years ago. Neymar is WAY more talented and pretty much every top club is interested in him and according to the media Santos turned down a bid of 30 mio euros this summer.
 

Raed

Dr. Raed St. Claire
Why should it be retarted? You don't think Andy Carolls price will have a influence on the prices in the upcoming transfer market?

You clearly have not watched Neymar in action. We are talking about a player who dominates the league at the age of 18 and has a enormous potential. To put it into perspective. Keirrison was bought for 15 mio euros 2 years ago. Neymar is WAY more talented and pretty much every top club is interested in him and according to the media Santos turned down a bid of 30 mio euros this summer.

By the way, I meant the price was retarded but happened under unfortunate circumstances. That wasn't towards you.

If Keirisson was brought in for 15, Neymar at 25 is reasonably priced. He is still unproven, and a huge gamble.
 

gingerless

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dominates a league where pele got over 500 goals in :<

i agree he is still a huge gamble you don't know how he's going to turn out, for an 18 year old though he is very good
 
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DucdeOrléans

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Look I personally don't thin he is worth 30 million euros but in the current market he unfortunately is (and certainly also).

I just can't imagine that he will be sold for under 30 mio Euros. I would not make any sense.
 
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