Ousmane Dembélé

[Marshall D Teach]

over that tournament, yes. no one was better.

i was comparing them with previous wc winners.

yes, full o frauds.

The level of talent in general is much lower than it was in the past

 

[Bulgroz]

I was talking with a sports journalist recently, and he doesn't necessarily agree with that statement. He actually said something that made a lot of sense: we tend to over idealize old players because back then we only saw highlights of them. It wasn't easy to watch foreign teams for complete games. In France for example, when I was a kid you would have to wait Sunday evening to see a show about all that happened during the weekend in European football, with highlights of Barca, Juve etc. If a player was bang average, you wouldn't see much of him, but you would see him when he shone.

Nowadays you can watch any team anytime you want. Everyone has rough patches, or ok games, just like everyone did back then. Except now it's all in plain sights.

Don't know how true this is, but it does make sense.

 

[fergus90]

I was talking with a sports journalist recently, and he doesn't necessarily agree with that statement. He actually said something that made a lot of sense: we tend to over idealize old players because back then we only saw highlights of them. It wasn't easy to watch foreign teams for complete games. In France for example, when I was a kid you would have to wait Sunday evening to see a show about all that happened during the weekend in European football, with highlights of Barca, Juve etc. If a player was bang average, you wouldn't see much of him, but you would see him when he shone.

Nowadays you can watch any team anytime you want. Everyone has rough patches, or ok games, just like everyone did back then. Except now it's all in plain sights.

Don't know how true this is, but it does make sense.

That does make sense. I think people have a tendency to be more respectful and full of admiration for players once they have retired.

It was the same here with Italian Football, which was quite idolized in England during the 90's with Football Italia, looked like every player was just unbelievable.

Now football is generally granted far more exposure, you see the less glamourous moments too.

 

[Proper]

The level of talent in general is much lower than it was in the past

I disagree, I say talent now is much higher.

One thing that has declined though is the CB but full backs/CM/AMF/wingers/CF I don’t recall the pool of talent as great as it’s been right now for the last 25 years, the pool of talent (technically) is great even at lower clubs and it's worldwide, any nation can now produce world class talent.

For example a Canadian (Davies) looks like he's going to be the world's best LB in the next few years, an Egyptian (Salah), South Korean (Son) and Gabon (Auba) are 3 of the Premier League's best players, a Japanese player (Kubo) on Real Madrid's books.

Nationality now doesn't hold a player back how good they can become, this wouldn't have happened 15 years ago.

 

[malvolio]

That does make sense. I think people have a tendency to be more respectful and full of admiration for players once they have retired.

It was the same here with Italian Football, which was quite idolized in England during the 90's with Football Italia, looked like every player was just unbelievable.

Now football is generally granted far more exposure, you see the less glamourous moments too.

france team that lost the final in 2016:
GK 16 Fabien Barthez
RB 19 Willy Sagnol
CB 15 Lilian Thuram
CB 5 William Gallas
LB 3 Eric Abidal
CM 4 Patrick Vieira
CM 6 Claude Mak?l?l?
RW 22 Franck Rib?ry
AM 10 Zinedine Zidane (c)
LW 7 Florent Malouda
CF 12 Thierry Henry
Substitutions:
MF 18 Alou Diarra
FW 20 David Trezeguet
FW 11 Sylvain Wiltord

france team that won the final in 20018:

GK 1 Hugo Lloris (c)
RB 2 Benjamin Pavard
CB 4 Rapha?l Varane
CB 5 Samuel Umtiti
LB 21 Lucas Hernandez
CM 6 Paul Pogba
CM 13 N'Golo Kant?
RW 10 Kylian Mbapp?
AM 7 Antoine Griezmann
LW 14 Blaise Matuidi
CF 9 Olivier Giroud
Substitutions:
MF 15 Steven Nzonzi
MF 12 Corentin Tolisso
FW 18 Nabil Fekir

 

[fergus90]

france team that lost the final in 2016:
GK 16 Fabien Barthez
RB 19 Willy Sagnol
CB 15 Lilian Thuram
CB 5 William Gallas
LB 3 Eric Abidal
CM 4 Patrick Vieira
CM 6 Claude Mak?l?l?
RW 22 Franck Rib?ry
AM 10 Zinedine Zidane (c)
LW 7 Florent Malouda
CF 12 Thierry Henry
Substitutions:
MF 18 Alou Diarra
FW 20 David Trezeguet
FW 11 Sylvain Wiltord

france team that won the final in 20018:

GK 1 Hugo Lloris (c)
RB 2 Benjamin Pavard
CB 4 Rapha?l Varane
CB 5 Samuel Umtiti
LB 21 Lucas Hernandez
CM 6 Paul Pogba
CM 13 N'Golo Kant?
RW 10 Kylian Mbapp?
AM 7 Antoine Griezmann
LW 14 Blaise Matuidi
CF 9 Olivier Giroud
Substitutions:
MF 15 Steven Nzonzi
MF 12 Corentin Tolisso
FW 18 Nabil Fekir

Yeah France 2006 World Cup squad was legendary.

 

[Bulgroz]

The squad was great (well the most important players from it actually came back from retirement to play the WC, including Zidane who played some legendary games during that WC). But I do remember French people being very harsh against Gallas, Henry, Trezeguet and Barthez back then for example. Goes to prove the point about over romancizing old legends. France played amazing during the tournament and they had a very rough path to the final, but a couple months before it absolutely no one in France thought we were clear favorites to win it.

 

[Laplacian]

I'm not sure what your point is? You clearly admit France's XI and bench was above all other teams in the tournament. You admit that at the time, a good portion of the XI consisted of players what people considered "world class" based on the fact that they've had...multiple world class seasons in their careers. Just because some (Griezmann and Pogba) failed to reach/surpass their career heights in their other clubs (united and Barcelona), doesn't make them frauds lol. Hazard's career at Madrid so far is a disaster, does it make him a fraud and everything prior to 2019 fake? No. Like I don't get what you're trying to prove here. Okay I mean of course the 2006 side had more legends, that doesn't diminish the 2018's side quality. lol


Why are you going after the French team again? Is it because of Lenglet, Umtiti, Dembele, and Griezmann? Lmao.

 

[messi2140]

I'm not sure what your point is? You clearly admit France's XI and bench was above all other teams in the tournament. You admit that at the time, a good portion of the XI consisted of players what people considered "world class" based on the fact that they've had...multiple world class seasons in their careers. Just because some (Griezmann and Pogba) failed to reach/surpass their career heights in their other clubs (united and Barcelona), doesn't make them frauds lol. Hazard's career at Madrid so far is a disaster, does it make him a fraud and everything prior to 2019 fake? No. Like I don't get what you're trying to prove here. Okay I mean of course the 2006 side had more legends, that doesn't diminish the 2018's side quality. lol


Why are you going after the French team again? Is it because of Lenglet, Umtiti, Dembele, and Griezmann? Lmao.

I think what Malvolio is trying to say is that Messi couldn't carry his team past a bunch of frauds in the WC.

 

[KingLeo10]

I think what Malvolio is trying to say is that Messi couldn't carry his team past a bunch of frauds in the WC.

Waiting for him to counter this.

Oh wait, there is no counter.

 

[malvolio]

I think what Malvolio is trying to say is that Messi couldn't carry his team past a bunch of frauds in the WC.

yes! good one

GK 1 Hugo Lloris - a bum
RB 2 Benjamin Pavard - unknown bum
CB 4 Rapha?l Varane - world class
CB 5 Samuel Umtiti - near world class. turned to fraud in the end
LB 21 Lucas Hernandez - bum
CM 6 Paul Pogba - overrated fraud
CM 13 N'Golo Kant? - world class
RW 10 Kylian Mbapp? - very good player
AM 7 Antoine Griezmann - king of frauds
LW 14 Blaise Matuidi - bum
CF 9 Olivier Giroud - bum
Substitutions:
MF 15 Steven Nzonzi - bum
MF 12 Corentin Tolisso - bum
FW 18 Nabil Fekir - bum

 

[Bulgroz]

Is that post even worth responding? Probably not. The Gnido of the football section, ladies and gents.

 

[JamDav1982]

yes! good one

GK 1 Hugo Lloris - a bum
RB 2 Benjamin Pavard - unknown bum
CB 4 Rapha?l Varane - world class
CB 5 Samuel Umtiti - near world class. turned to fraud in the end
LB 21 Lucas Hernandez - bum
CM 6 Paul Pogba - overrated fraud
CM 13 N'Golo Kant? - world class
RW 10 Kylian Mbapp? - very good player
AM 7 Antoine Griezmann - king of frauds
LW 14 Blaise Matuidi - bum
CF 9 Olivier Giroud - bum
Substitutions:
MF 15 Steven Nzonzi - bum
MF 12 Corentin Tolisso - bum
FW 18 Nabil Fekir - bum

Malovio listing what he would like to do to the French national team.

 

[te amo barca]

Malvolio is peak pundit material with his takes

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

i think malvolio needs holidays