Ousmane Dembélé

[Jakabor]

Why not just move him on in January or at least agree to cancel his contract now? Don't see much point in payin him to sit in the stands. We might as well at least play him if he's still gonna be here.

It sends a message. Not just to Dembele and his greedy, delusional cunt of an agent.

If you get the notion to fuck with Barca: dont

 

[Interlop]

His agent's strategy is clear: Get him to whichever club pays the most in wages, signon fees, and commissions.
If Barca does not pay that, another club.

Well, if that’s true then there should be a team that is willing to pay more than Barca if he is not renewing here. Now, if that supposed team value him so much and are willing to pay him so much money wouldn’t they be delighted to have him 6 months earlier? Like, imagine Real having the chance to have Mbappe now instead of the summer. Papa Flo would even pay like 30-50 milion for that on top of the same signing fee and salary. That’s why I think this situation is very strange. And if that team exists (Newcastle) I don’t think Dembele wants to go there, cause if he did he would already be there.

 

[Raki13]

Typical of todays modern day footballer , money is all that matters. They dont care who they play for or how many trophies they win.

 

[Rassvet]

Typical of todays modern day footballer , money is all that matters. They dont care who they play for or how many trophies they win.

ok boomer

 

[Luftstalag14]

Why not just move him on in January or at least agree to cancel his contract now? Don't see much point in payin him to sit in the stands. We might as well at least play him if he's still gonna be here.

He doesn't want to leave now, I think the goal to put him on the stands is to force him to leave now (since he won't renew on our terms).

I don't think a club can just unilaterally cancel a player's contract, right?

 

[Raki13]

He doesn't want to leave now, I think the goal to put him on the stands is to force him to leave now (since he won't renew on our terms).

I don't think a club can just unilaterally cancel a player's contract, right?

Nope they have to pay him his full contract or work a deal with his agent. Either way he knows hes getting the cash.

 

[Birdy]

From a third-party perspective this just looks petty. The players who refuse to renew did nothing wrong. Imagine if we wanted someone for free, how do we feel about another club banishing that player to the stands just because he doesn't want to renew?

There is some (albeit slim) chance he renews, when he (and his agent) see -after months of inactivity - he can only get the same money as here elsewhere.
That's the only possible positive gain for Barca following that strategy.

But, other than that, it's not at all how you describe it above. You miss an important parameter:
It's not that club and player were negotiating, could not find a solution, and then they agreed to part ways.
Many such cases, Thiago and Alaba at Bayern, or Mbape this summer at PSG, where the players respected their clubs despite wanting to go.
What happened is that the players left (or are about to leave) or run their contracts down under the conditions of their clubs (they decided to either use them on the pitch for the remainder of their contracts or sell them).

Here, on the contrary, Barca wants to sell if the player doesn't renew. They do NOT want him to stay and run down his contract.
But the player and his agent want to do their own thing, play around, run down the contract against the decision of the club.
That can't be!
Stupid Moriba tried the same in the summer, and lost.

Alaba Thiago and co mentioned above never 'played around' with their clubs, trying to do their own thing while disrespecting and ignoring their will

PS: I wouldn't call it 'petty' at all. I would call it only FAIR (and mind you I love Dembouz as a player)

 

[Luftstalag14]

It sends a message. Not just to Dembele and his greedy, delusional cunt of an agent.

If you get the notion to fuck with Barca: dont

I was thinking about that too, that is potentially a reason behind this move, to set an example for other players of ours that we want to renew. How and whether it will work remains to be seen.

 

[Birdy]

I was thinking about that too, that is potentially a reason behind this move, to set an example for other players of ours that we want to renew. How and whether it will work remains to be seen.

It's not only about that.
If that was it, the wrong message would be sent to the rest ('Either you renew with us, or we will punish you')
It's rather about 'Either you respect the club in negotiations and leave under our conditions even if you want to go, or we will punish you'

 

[Luftstalag14]

There is some (albeit slim) chance he renews, when he (and his agent) see -after months of inactivity - he can only get the same money as here elsewhere.
That's the only possible positive gain for Barca following that strategy.

But, other than that, it's not at all how you describe it above. You miss an important parameter:
It's not that club and player were negotiating, could not find a solution, and then they agreed to part ways.
Many such cases, Thiago and Alaba at Bayern, or Mbape this summer at PSG, where the players respected their clubs despite wanting to go.
What happened is that the players left (or are about to leave) or run their contracts down under the conditions of their clubs (they decided to either use them on the pitch for the remainder of their contracts or sell them).

Here, on the contrary, Barca wants to sell if the player doesn't renew. They do NOT want him to stay and run down his contract.
But the player and his agent want to do their own thing, play around, run down the contract against the decision of the club.
That can't be!
Stupid Moriba tried the same in the summer, and lost.

Alaba Thiago and co mentioned above never 'played around' with their clubs, trying to do their own thing while disrespecting and ignoring their will

PS: I wouldn't call it 'petty' at all. I would call it only FAIR (and mind you I love Dembouz as a player)

Thiago was different if I am not mistaken as he was sold to Bayern with time left on his contract, but how is Dembele different from Mbappe and Alaba?

Exactly what did Alaba do to respect Bayern, or "under the conditions of their club"? I found his situation similar to Dembele's, Alaba wanted more money than Bayern was willing to pay, negotiations broke off, he ran down his contract and left. What is the difference?

 

[Luftstalag14]

It's not only about that.
If that was it, the wrong message would be sent to the rest ('Either you renew with us, or we will punish you')
It's rather about 'Either you respect the club in negotiations and leave under our conditions even if you want to go, or we will punish you'

What is the difference between the two messages? Respect the club? Under our conditions? That's some BS. It is a negotiation with give and take on both sides, no side is holier than the other.

 

[Jakabor]

I was thinking about that too, that is potentially a reason behind this move, to set an example for other players of ours that we want to renew. How and whether it will work remains to be seen.

Yes, such hard stance is necessary from the perspective of the club. Especially from a financial point of view.

It could backfire though.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Yes, such hard stance is necessary from the perspective of the club. Especially from a financial point of view.

It could backfire though.

Yup, that's what worries me.

 

[Birdy]

Thiago was different if I am not mistaken as he was sold to Bayern with time left on his contract, but how is Dembele different from Mbappe and Alaba?

Exactly what did Alaba do to respect Bayern, or "under the conditions of their club"? I found his situation similar to Dembele's, Alaba wanted more money than Bayern was willing to pay, negotiations broke off, he ran down his contract and left. What is the difference?

The difference is that Bayern decided to play Alaba on the pitch for the 1 year left on his contract and not sell, for sporting reasons.
(and I am pretty sure it was because they hadn't signed a replacement. They later signed Upamecano)
On the contrary, they decided to sell Thiago (they had his position covered by Kimmich-Goretchka), and if you remember they warned the interested clubs (Liverpool) to not play games waiting for his contract to end.

In both cases, the will of the club was respected by the players, and in the case of Thiago, it was also respected by another club (Liverpool)

Here, you have only 1 actor other than Barca (Dembouz and his agent) and they do not want to respect the decision of the club (to sell).
Same thing stupid Moriba tried to pull in the summer.
When he and his agency realized that Barca were serious about him staying 1 year in the stands, they contacted Leipzig to make an offer instead of waiting 1 year

PS: Even with Mbape, the player said he will not renew, and wants to go to Madrid.
If PSG had agreed a fee with RM, he would be gone.
Now that they decided not to sell to RM, and use him on the pitch for the remainder, he also respected the decision of his club.

If he was like Dembouz and his agent, he would not have agreed to leave in the summer even in the case a fee was agreed between the clubs.
You see the difference?

Levels

 

[Windhook]

What ongoing negotiations? It's all over, no turning back. Dembouz might train hard or not, but that doesn't matter. It's clear he's lost in translation with Alemany's words on commitment - Dembouz talks about the game itself, Alemany - about club's future. I'm not surprised by such a statement knowing that Dembele treated every game with a friendly match mindset, pulling some weird shit and shots. The last thing would have been a Balotelli Man City US tour friendly stunt.