Paco Alcácer

[BBZ8800]

It probably isn't the smartest thing to post videos from Real's players, but as some others have already mentioned, he resembles on Raul a lot:

I wouldn't compare him with Suarez because I wouldn't compare any Cf in the world with Suarez and with his style.
He is just crazy and unique. He plays very aggressive and hits the ball in a strange/unique way.

About Raul, Paco is built somewhat similar to Raul (he doesn't look as too strong. Height 180 vs 176 cm) and to some extent moves with the ball in a similar way as Raul.
Even though, Raul was already banging 29+29+32 goals for Real at the age of 22, 23 and 24.

Paco played in a weak club so of course that his numbers will be way lower.
But his NT stats and U19, 21, 23 matches sound promising also.

Good luck, Paco-Raul

 

[FCBarca]

Per minutes, not a whole lot of difference

 

[Nucky]

When will he chose his kit number? I guess he will go for 16, wich he wore in Valencia before he picked 9..

 

[gasgas]

Per minutes, not a whole lot of difference

So we basically wasted 30 M to get the same player we already had

 

[KingMessi]

So we basically wasted 30 M to get the same player we already had

There's something to be said about the psychological aspect of the sport. Paco's mental toughness far eclipses that of Munir's.

 

[Nucky]

What is done is done.. We loaned Munir and signed Alcacer.. A lot of people don't agree with that, specially now when Munir started to show some good games.. Barca decided they this way and we can't really do anything about it.. At the end of the season it will be shown if the decision was correct or not!

 

[BBZ8800]

Per minutes, not a whole lot of difference

Would Neymar score 30 La liga goals if he played for Sporting Gijon and where he would need to do everything alone, without any help and with 2 semi decent shots on goal per match?

I like Munir also, but we can't compare stats from a player who plays for Valencia with a player who plays for Barca.
Imagine Barca vs Getafe/Gijon and similar at Camp Nou where we have possession 70%, and where we create like 20 shots per match, with at least 10 insanely easy chances (almost tap in goals) for Messi/Neymar/Suarez/Munir.

Then imagine Valencia against 90% opponents where their every match looks like Barca:Atletico in Champions league where we struggle to create a single shot on goal.

Majority of players will have "inflated" stats when they play for Barca.

If Paco will have a crappy stats even after playing in 6:0 and 6:1 trashings of Eibar, Leganes, Alaves, Granada at Camp Nou, then we will need to be concerned.
But let's wait at least 1 year to estimate Munir vs Paco.

 

[FCBarca]

So we basically wasted 30 M to get the same player we already had

Pretty much, although if/when Munir is bought it'd be for 18M

 

[God Serena]

Keep in mind Paco played for Valencia. To put it in perspective, we made them our bitch last season with minimal effort. The fact that Paco was able to score at all with that squad is actually somewhat impressive. Give him the same chance to play with MSN before we say for sure that he isn't better than Munir.

 

[BBZ8800]

Barca vs Valencia in 2015/16:
https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/206/Tournaments/4/Seasons/5933/Stages/12647/TeamStatistics/Spain-La-Liga-2015-2016

Barca's players had 15,9 shots per match x 38 matches=604 shots
Valencia had 10,5 x 38 matches=399
Shots on target: Barca 7x38=266
Valencia: 3,6 shots on target x 38=136,8

Basically, Barca has twice as many shots on target per season than Valencia.
I would also dare to say that majority of Barca's shots on target are also "better chances" (when Messi sends you 1 on 1 alone vs a Gk numerous times per season) than Valencia's shots on target.

With that logic, I would dare to say:
If Munir played 1634 minutes in Barca, scoring 8 goals=he needed 204 minutes for 1 goal
Paco played 3087 minutes, scoring 15 goals=he needed 205 minutes for 1 goal

So, basically Paco and Munir needed the same amount of minutes to score 1 goal.
Now, according to team's stats from above where Barca's team will have 7 shots on target in one match, that means that Barca will create 16 shots on target in 204 minutes, and Munir will score 1 goal from 16 (total) Barca's shots on target (when he is on the field).
On the other hand, Valencia will create only 8 shots on target in the same time, and Paco will also score 1 goal.

With this logic, if you put Paco in Barca's team, he will score twice as many goals as Munir in the same time.

** These numbers are not a FACT, just another way to look at stats and a strength of teams.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Pretty much, although if/when Munir is bought it'd be for 18M

So there is a buy-back on Munir?

 

[FCBarca]

So there is a buy-back on Munir?

None

 

[jamrock]

Those "stats" are ignoring the fact that paco was the starter for Valencia and there main striker, those being the player that the entire team is geared towards scoring goals.

While munir Is a bench player, who is probably 3/4 in line for goals when he does play.

Now imagine what munir would do if he was the starter for a half decent team like valencia, where is was the main striker and what paco would do if he was playing in the role munir was.

But paco Is better than munir now though, of that there can be no doubt, where they will be 3 years from this, no one knows.

 

[JamDav1982]

Biggest offer for Munir supposedly came in from West Ham and Spurs according to press.

Club never really pursued these as aware Munir wanted to stay in Spain.

Doesnt quite fit the 'treating players like cattle' rubbish.

This type of thing and considerations for young players next move helps others stay in long run.

 

[Aryagorn]

Those "stats" are ignoring the fact that paco was the starter for Valencia and there main striker, those being the player that the entire team is geared towards scoring goals.

While munir Is a bench player, who is probably 3/4 in line for goals when he does play.

Now imagine what munir would do if he was the starter for a half decent team like valencia, where is was the main striker and what paco would do if he was playing in the role munir was.

But paco Is better than munir now though, of that there can be no doubt, where they will be 3 years from this, no one knows.

As Mark Twain would say: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

It is fooling to compare "stats" like that..... Yes, as you have pointed out Paco being a starter accumulates more and more numbers increasing his minutes-per-goal unfairly. And also Munir has an advantage wherein he would only come in the second half against tired legs, etc providing his a better chance for that ratio as well. Not to mention he gets to play more often against lower tier teams and teams from second division in the Copa while Paco would also be playing against the likes of Barcelona and Real Madrid as a started, more often than not just increasing the number of minutes while not exactly having any chance to increase the goals!

Besides, if stats are to be looked into....... It would be wiser to look into detailed stats like [MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION] suggested. Look into the number of shots that the players needs to convert it into a goal and stuff like that!