Paco Alcácer

[gasgas]

I don't care about stats, and what you say is not even true. He didn't give plenty of assists in his first 10 games ( by the way, he was a starter while Paco isn't and didn't play more than 200minutes for the club atm). In terms of goals it also was very bad.

Here, I talk about his contribution in the game. His first touch was absolutely awful and didn't have any clue what to do with the ball in his feet.

Anyway, he succeeded in the end and let's hope that Paco will have the same future instead of criticizing unfairly the latter.

And Paco will never have the same future
He doesnt hve enough talent
His talent can make him a starter at Valencia, Tottenham at best

 

[God Serena]

Your opinion is not rocket science, actually. I don't share your view on the fact that he didn't show anything at Valencia.

I played as a striker when I was young then as a defensive midfielder and all that on a weekly basis ...
I know what is it to be surrounded by eleven players trying to reduce spaces and this is not easy.

Not trying to say that I'm right, but we've seen many players who didn't succeed based on their first games for Barcelona and Luis Suarez was one of them.

I don't understand what is wrong with some fans nowadays... They want everything and right now.
You probably played football since you were 5 but you didn't really support the club before 2006 did you ? Because if it was the case, you'd be glad to have Paco Alcacer as a substitute.

Your experiences are not unique. "I've played before and it's hard!" is not a valid excuse. We could say the same nonsense about every position and every player that doesn't perform well. And if you by yourself really had eleven players trying to reduce your space the game would be a cakewalk for the rest of the team. Paco is at most ever marked by a single man, he just can't get involved in the game for more than that to even be necessary.

Suarez in his first game at least showed he's capable of performing. I've said numerous times that the notion that he was awful when he got here is a fake one and I will say it again. Even when Suarez was missing sitters he still showed he deserved to be starting. Paco thus far hasn't had even a single good moment since arriving here.

And please, tell me what Paco has to do with supporting the club since the arbitrary date you've detailed? If I was a fan in 2005 I'd be happy to have a useless forward who doesn't do anything when we could have had one who was playing well before leaving?

 

[Devils]

People have the signing misunderstood.

NOBODY signs a 22 year striker expecting him to be the finished product. Lucho, Robert and Barca Management know this. Comparing him to Suarez in any regard is trivial regardless of impact or lack of impact Suarez had when he was first signed was already experienced at top level and was the best striker in the world.

We had a choice this summer of signing an experienced striker for immediate impact (i.e. Gameiro, Nolito) or invest in a young striker who was still developing and has potential to be a very useful for Barca but is still the unfinished product (Paco). And because we went with Paco, therefore patience is required.

To say he isn't good enough because he isn't making an immediate impact is senseless because giving him time to adjust and DEVELOP as a player is something we signed off on when he agreed to his transfer.

Obviously there are MANY people who see Paco as a top talent in the football world as he was named Valencia captain at such a young age, scouted by Barca for many years and eventually signed, and was called up to La Roja and in his short time so far there he managed to be Spain's top scorer in the Euro qualifiers. These aren't things that your typical 'average talent' achieves.

 

[KingMessi]

Not to mention that he didn't even get preseason with us.

 

[Barcilliant]

He needs time and he needs to play centrally.

He is a goal poacher mainly.

I didn't want him here but the Lynch mob on this forum is overreacting as usual.

 

[FCBarca]

Nothing wrong with Paco as a player, in principle. For the price and where he has to play, it was never a good deal to move for him when Munir was already here. It has been and continues to be an illogical deal

 

[gasgas]

People have the signing misunderstood.

NOBODY signs a 22 year striker expecting him to be the finished product. Lucho, Robert and Barca Management know this. Comparing him to Suarez in any regard is trivial regardless of impact or lack of impact Suarez had when he was first signed was already experienced at top level and was the best striker in the world.

We had a choice this summer of signing an experienced striker for immediate impact (i.e. Gameiro, Nolito) or invest in a young striker who was still developing and has potential to be a very useful for Barca but is still the unfinished product (Paco). And because we went with Paco, therefore patience is required.

To say he isn't good enough because he isn't making an immediate impact is senseless because giving him time to adjust and DEVELOP as a player is something we signed off on when he agreed to his transfer.

Obviously there are MANY people who see Paco as a top talent in the football world as he was named Valencia captain at such a young age, scouted by Barca for many years and eventually signed, and was called up to La Roja and in his short time so far there he managed to be Spain's top scorer in the Euro qualifiers. These aren't things that your typical 'average talent' achieves.

We also had a choice
Not to buy a striker, not waste any money
And keep trusting our very own unfinished product, Munir who was starting to assert himself on the team.

What makes you think that moving from a starting CF in Valencia to a bench player in Barca would somehow enable Paco to realize his full potential???

 

[God Serena]

People have the signing misunderstood.

NOBODY signs a 22 year striker expecting him to be the finished product. Lucho, Robert and Barca Management know this. Comparing him to Suarez in any regard is trivial regardless of impact or lack of impact Suarez had when he was first signed was already experienced at top level and was the best striker in the world.

I can actually agree with this.

We had a choice this summer of signing an experienced striker for immediate impact (i.e. Gameiro, Nolito) or invest in a young striker who was still developing and has potential to be a very useful for Barca but is still the unfinished product (Paco). And because we went with Paco, therefore patience is required.

We already had a young striker who was still developing and had the potential to be very useful for Barca but was still the unfinished product. This actually made me laugh for a minute or two, because that literally describes Munir.

To say he isn't good enough because he isn't making an immediate impact is senseless because giving him time to adjust and DEVELOP as a player is something we signed off on when he agreed to his transfer.

But why? When he was initially signed people defended it by swearing up and down that he was definitively better than Munir and would improve the squad, but now we have to give him X amount of time to magically turn into a player we haven't seen him be, for us or anyone else?

Obviously there are MANY people who see Paco as a top talent in the football world as he was named Valencia captain at such a young age, scouted by Barca for many years and eventually signed, and was called up to La Roja and in his short time so far there he managed to be Spain's top scorer in the Euro qualifiers. These aren't things that your typical 'average talent' achieves.

Being captain at Valencia doesn't mean a thing, nor does being scouted by Barca, or even being signed. Spain is also a team that is struggling big time when it comes to strikers so him being called up there also doesn't mean very much, and typically when you have to talk about other teams or international football to make a case for a player at Barca your argument becomes a lot weaker. I mean really, fuck Spain. Maybe if he was a part of the team when they were actually relevant and had goal scorers in the squad his accomplishments there would be impressive.

 

[Devils]

We also had a choice
Not to buy a striker, not waste any money
And keep trusting our very own unfinished product, Munir who was starting to assert himself on the team.

What makes you think that moving from a starting CF in Valencia to a bench player in Barca would somehow enable Paco to realize his full potential???

You're wrong.

There was never a ultimatum between keeping Munir or signing Paco. The decision to sign a forward was made a long before we signed Paco or even before Munir started making strides. If we had signed Nolito last summer or winter, Munir would faced the same fate. Same for Gameiro and same for Vietto.

And Paco is in a far better place for development than Valencia who are in total chaos. He will get plenty of minutes being our only back-up striker and will learn from playing football at the highest level alongside with best attacking players in the world. The same will apply for Gomes/Umtiti/Suarez who are not starters but will develop under the Barca regimen.

Who knows if he will make it? But when you invest in younger player you invest in potential and that means having patience to see whether they make it or not.

 

[Devils]

We already had a young striker who was still developing and had the potential to be very useful for Barca but was still the unfinished product. This actually made me laugh for a minute or two, because that literally describes Munir.

Like I said, it was never between Munir and Paco. Lucho wanted a striker since last summer. Munir's fate was already determined when Barca agreed to sign one.

There was never an ultimatum this summer. We were signing a striker regardless of Munir.

But why? When he was initially signed people defended it by swearing up and down that he was definitively better than Munir and would improve the squad, but now we have to give him X amount of time to magically turn into a player we haven't seen him be, for us or anyone else?

He's more established than Munir.

Investing in talent is aways gamble, not a surefire thing. Investing is potential is investing in time and patience though. If we had signed 30 year old Gameiro and he was flopping all over the place, I would be more inclined to agree with you, but Paco needs more patience.

Being captain at Valencia doesn't mean a thing, nor does being scouted by Barca, or even being signed. Spain is also a team that is struggling big time when it comes to strikers so him being called up there also doesn't mean very much, and typically when you have to talk about other teams or international football to make a case for a player at Barca your argument becomes a lot weaker. I mean really, fuck Spain. Maybe if he was a part of the team when they were actually relevant and had goal scorers in the squad his accomplishments there would be impressive.

Disagree with all of this.

Valencia, aside from their chaotic state of last season and this season, have an excellent youth system and have a great track record of developing players. They obviously rated Paco very highly as a product of their system and to give him captaincy.

How does being signed by Barca not mean anything? Please don't use Douglas as an example...Yes there have been some questionable signing (most of which were done outside of sporting reasons) under the likes of Zubi for example, but being asked to sign for Barca is generally one of the most prestigious honours in football.

And my point in regards to Spain was not only him being called up, but also being top scorer in the Euro qualifiers and him capitalizing on his opportunity. During Spain 'relevant' period Paco played in the Under 19 Spanish team that won the UEFA Euro in both 2011 and 2012.

I'd say his career under La Roja has been impressive so far, so it doesn't really deter from my statement that he is a promising player who could be valuable for Barca.

 

[gasgas]

You're wrong.

There was never a ultimatum between keeping Munir or signing Paco. The decision to sign a forward was made a long before we signed Paco or even before Munir started making strides. If we had signed Nolito last summer or winter, Munir would faced the same fate. Same for Gameiro and same for Vietto.

And Paco is in a far better place for development than Valencia who are in total chaos. He will get plenty of minutes being our only back-up striker and will learn from playing football at the highest level alongside with best attacking players in the world. The same will apply for Gomes/Umtiti/Suarez who are not starters but will develop under the Barca regimen.

Who knows if he will make it? But when you invest in younger player you invest in potential and that means having patience to see whether they make it or not.

So according to you a player (in this case Paco) would develop better playing 400 minutes per season at Barca than being a starter and "captain" at Valencia playing week in week out

And Paco will not be playing at the highest level
He will be starting CDR vs Villanovense, and the smallest games possible when we want to rest Suarez meanwhile Arda, and Rafinha are tired as well
Atleast at Valencia he would start in UCL, vs Barca, Madrid, Villareal etc

Why then do we send players on loan to small teams where they can play regularly.

 

[gasgas]

Signing Paco was like taking a baby deer from it's habitat where it used to thrive and taking it to live by the sea shore,
hey there's some vegetation there too, it should be able to thrive just as well, Wroooong

 

[Devils]

So according to you a player (in this case Paco) would develop better playing 400 minutes per season at Barca than being a starter and "captain" at Valencia playing week in week out

And Paco will not be playing at the highest level
He will be starting CDR vs Villanovense, and the smallest games possible when we want to rest Suarez meanwhile Arda, and Rafinha are tired as well
Atleast at Valencia he would start in UCL, vs Barca, Madrid, Villareal etc

Why then do we send players on loan to small teams where they can play regularly.

Again you are completely wrong.

400 Minutes is equivalent to playing 4.5 games. He's gong to play a lot more than that, common sense. Everyone who watches Barca knows what happened last season, we almost gave it all up because we didn't use our front three sparingly. Again this just a incoherent assumption of yours. Arda and Rafinha? Since when did either of them play in a central attacking role? They play mostly in midfield and wont hurt Paco minutes much at all.

And I said Paco will be playing football AT the highest level, which he will at Barca. There's a big difference between that and saying he will be playing against top level opposition. He will be trained by top coaches and he will be playing daily with worlds best players. Believe it or not, that actually is important to a players development. Valencia is also a train wreck with an interim manager and they wont be playing in UCL this year. I feel the exact same thing about Munir, he would have been a lot better off here than he would at Valenica.

Why do we send players to play regularly? So we can monitor them, give them experience to prove themselves and if they excel they can attempt come back and attempt to break into the first team. Players like Paco, Gomes, Umititi and Saurez are players that have been monitored by Barca and have gained experience at other clubs, proven themselves are being given a chance to cement themselves into the Barca first team. Not that hard, really.

 

[Devils]

"Paco is doing everything I want of him and, even though he is still adapting, he is doing it perfectly," Luis Enrique said at a news conference.

"It is key that the squad knows Paco can do a job for the team.

"He arrived at the end of pre-season which makes things difficult but I'm pleased. Alcacer has been wonderful, he has been almost perfect.

"I am happy with his performances."

Almost perfect, fam.

 

[gasgas]

Again you are completely wrong.

400 Minutes is equivalent to playing 4.5 games. He's gong to play a lot more than that, common sense. Everyone who watches Barca knows what happened last season, we almost gave it all up because we didn't use our front three sparingly. Again this just a incoherent assumption of yours. Arda and Rafinha? Since when did either of them play in a central attacking role? They play mostly in midfield and wont hurt Paco minutes much at all.

And I said Paco will be playing football AT the highest level, which he will at Barca. There's a big difference between that and saying he will be playing against top level opposition. He will be trained by top coaches and he will be playing daily with worlds best players. Believe it or not, that actually is important to a players development. Valencia is also a train wreck with an interim manager and they wont be playing in UCL this year. I feel the exact same thing about Munir, he would have been a lot better off here than he would at Valenica.

Why do we send players to play regularly? So we can monitor them, give them experience to prove themselves and if they excel they can attempt come back and attempt to break into the first team. Players like Paco, Gomes, Umititi and Saurez are players that have been monitored by Barca and have gained experience at other clubs, proven themselves are being given a chance to cement themselves into the Barca first team. Not that hard, really.

The 400 minutes is a hyperbole, the point being, he will hardly play

And No, you're wrong
You don't improve by watching Top players playing, you improve when you get chances to play, show what you are capable of, play against different opponents, gain experience, finding out your weak points, and correcting them and once you are ready you come back to Barca

Had it been the way you put it, Douglas, and other trash players we bought in history would have atleast been better after watching our top players play and train
I disagree there

That's why we send our players to teams with coaches who play a similar style and will give them gametime to help them grow

Perhaps Valencia could be in a mess or whatever
But
I don't see how the same player will develop better in Barcelona as a fringe player given few minutes to play
than in Valencia where he is trusted and given responsibility as one of the team leader

Let me ask you, how many times do you think we will sub Suarez this season?
Let's say in a game where we are leading 3-0 and it's the 70th minute, those ones perhaps. So he comes in when the team has already won the game, and key players have been taken out, and the team is passing time, is that a perfect opportunity to grow? No if you ask me

I certainly don't see Lucho subbing him in when we need a goal? Why bring him in while we have Rafinha, Arda who are on better goalscoring form and can offer more in attack to give us a goal? So i see lucho subbing Rakitic/Busquets for Arda/Rafinha


His biggest bet is CDR

Paco is not even a fraction of a player Umtiti, Gomes are
Talentwise especially