George_Costanza
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Real midfield has Modric, Casimiro, Kroos, Isco, James, Vazquez and Kovacic
Bayern midfield has Thiago, Robben, Ribery, Javi Martinez, Douglas Costa, Xabi Alonso, Gotze, Vidal, Renato Sanches, Kimmich
Paul Pogba
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Real midfield has Modric, Casimiro, Kroos, Isco, James, Vazquez and Kovacic
Bayern midfield has Thiago, Robben, Ribery, Javi Martinez, Douglas Costa, Xabi Alonso, Gotze, Vidal, Renato Sanches, Kimmich
Funny list. You counted players who regularly play as wingers there.
BarçaBarça
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I agree that we have more pressing needs, and as I see it, we are actually addressing them:
According to recent (quite reliable) rumours our transfer-window might turn out quite all right: Umtiti, Lemos (or other in his category), Nolito (or other in his category), a young leftback and D.Suarez (disagreement is about +/- 1M.€ wage, we will get it done). That would actually fit our needs quite well, and I believe it will happen.
I have been pissed about this as well, especially with the Neymar-case, it seemed so unnecessary to cheat like that.
BUT if you go back in history, you will find that most WC-superstar signings has been a little dodgy or surrounded by drama: e.g. Kubala or Di Stefano among others. Two era-defining players, but they wasn't signed in clean, professional Bayern-like fashion with no drama - it was close to a literal fight between the clubs, and every trick was used. I certainly don't want to defend Rosell (which I think is among the worst presidents we have had), but I've had a new perspective on the way superstars are signed since reading about former Barca/RM legends and their arrivals. To sum up: well-planned and clean-executed transfers just very rarely happens when it is truly WC/'One every ten years'-players who moves, and to expect otherwise is maybe to demand too much?
DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
I think Pogba is a real possibility for 2017. If he's still at Juventus.
I can see Arda getting offloaded next summer, regardless of how he performs this upcoming season(hope he does well though) and there are question marks over Rafinha's fitness and how Denis will fit in the team. Will he primarily play as a winger or a midfielder? Sergi plays all over the pitch and can be used in various positions.
A year older Iniesta who will be 33, but still class, though they'll still look for his long-term replacement.
I can see Arda getting offloaded next summer, regardless of how he performs this upcoming season(hope he does well though) and there are question marks over Rafinha's fitness and how Denis will fit in the team. Will he primarily play as a winger or a midfielder? Sergi plays all over the pitch and can be used in various positions.
A year older Iniesta who will be 33, but still class, though they'll still look for his long-term replacement.
BarçaBarça
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The last bit here is the most important, IMO. Iniesta is still class, but mostly in the big games. No matter how many Rafinhas/D.Suarez'/Robertos we have, it would be a little bit insane to expect them to reach Iniesta-level and say that they will save us in the long term. Even if we get Pogba (next summer), we still need players to rotate, and there is a good chance that some of them becomes very decent squad-players, pushing for a starting-spot, and that is needed in a club like ours.
Bearing that in mind, I hope we go for Pogba next summer, if he is still available.
George_Costanza
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really? you want to debate the quality of depth of both Real and Bayern vs. Barcelona? also isn't a winger is an attacking midfielder but play wide?
BBZ8800
Senior Member
We have a lot of midfielders in younger players like Suarez, Roberto, Rafinha, plus an oldie Arda.
While we do have a lot of options "on paper", at the end of the day, these options are more or less the same as our forward options where we have Halilovic, Munir, Sandro, Adama, Deulofeu, Tello.
Tons of players who are awesome on paper.
If one out of those six will turn into a decent squad player for us on whom we can rely, that will be a huge miracle.
One Nolito or Gameiro in this moment is more useful than Munir, Sandro, Adama, Halil, Deulofeu and Tello together.
One Gundogan or Pogba is like 2-3 times more useful than Roberto, Rafinha, Suarez and Arda together.
So, on paper we have a squad with depth and options.
But in reality when you want to rest (or if we have injuries) MSN or Iniesta-Raki, we have Munir and Denis Suarez, lol.
Imagine a CL semis tomorrow and one out of MSN is injured and one out of Iniesta-Raki is injured, and we play against Atletico/Real/Bayern with Munir+Denis.
I really don't watch that match and lose my nerves again.
Instead of having 6 midfielders in Raki, Iniesta + Arda, Suarez, Rafinha, Roberto, where we have 2 good players and 4 who are not good enough, we could easily survive with 2+1+1 instead of 2+4 (for example: Raki, Iniesta + Gundogan/Pogba + a squad youngster like Roberto/Rafinha).
Or if we want a depth, then 2+1+2 instead of 2+1+1.
But the current 2+4 is good against Getafes and Levantes at Camp Nou.
I don't see how a current team can survive in a CL.
And then, in 12 Months, we will whine again how crappy Real was lucky in a CL.
For the beginning, they have at least more than 2 good midfielders.
To rotate them both in key matches, but during a season, to save some energy.
While we do have a lot of options "on paper", at the end of the day, these options are more or less the same as our forward options where we have Halilovic, Munir, Sandro, Adama, Deulofeu, Tello.
Tons of players who are awesome on paper.
If one out of those six will turn into a decent squad player for us on whom we can rely, that will be a huge miracle.
One Nolito or Gameiro in this moment is more useful than Munir, Sandro, Adama, Halil, Deulofeu and Tello together.
One Gundogan or Pogba is like 2-3 times more useful than Roberto, Rafinha, Suarez and Arda together.
So, on paper we have a squad with depth and options.
But in reality when you want to rest (or if we have injuries) MSN or Iniesta-Raki, we have Munir and Denis Suarez, lol.
Imagine a CL semis tomorrow and one out of MSN is injured and one out of Iniesta-Raki is injured, and we play against Atletico/Real/Bayern with Munir+Denis.
I really don't watch that match and lose my nerves again.
Instead of having 6 midfielders in Raki, Iniesta + Arda, Suarez, Rafinha, Roberto, where we have 2 good players and 4 who are not good enough, we could easily survive with 2+1+1 instead of 2+4 (for example: Raki, Iniesta + Gundogan/Pogba + a squad youngster like Roberto/Rafinha).
Or if we want a depth, then 2+1+2 instead of 2+1+1.
But the current 2+4 is good against Getafes and Levantes at Camp Nou.
I don't see how a current team can survive in a CL.
And then, in 12 Months, we will whine again how crappy Real was lucky in a CL.
For the beginning, they have at least more than 2 good midfielders.
To rotate them both in key matches, but during a season, to save some energy.
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Marchisio8
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Because there is no way Juve will sell him, and Pogba has shown no indication that he wants to leave aswell.
BarçaBarça
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This window we have bigger needs than him, but I thought of a way to outwit other clubs and get him next summer:
Couldn't we make some sort of deal with him, if he really is interested in joining us (which is widely reported over the years), that he will join next summer?
Like the Mourinho-deal with United, where they would have to pay him a lot of money if they ended up not signing him, and he would have to pay them, if he didn't followed through. Or more infamous like the Figo-transfer to Madrid: The idea is to bind him, and if he breaks it, he has to pay a shitload of money to us. In return we could pay him like 10 M. € - would be worth it IMO, what do you guys think?
I know many in here complains about the transfer-fee already, but IMO it would be quite all right to strike a deal with his agent, who we apparently is on better terms with than RM. Next summer we can offer him more playing time than now, so he might agree to that model?
Maybe he wouldn't want such a deal because it would lower his leverage in wage-negotiation that he can't show offers from other clubs, but on the other hand - we would offer him some good money already now.
It is a crafty way to get him, I know, but it would secure that RM couldn't tempt him with Ronaldo-wage minus 1M€ in the end of this transfer-window.
Couldn't we make some sort of deal with him, if he really is interested in joining us (which is widely reported over the years), that he will join next summer?
Like the Mourinho-deal with United, where they would have to pay him a lot of money if they ended up not signing him, and he would have to pay them, if he didn't followed through. Or more infamous like the Figo-transfer to Madrid: The idea is to bind him, and if he breaks it, he has to pay a shitload of money to us. In return we could pay him like 10 M. € - would be worth it IMO, what do you guys think?
I know many in here complains about the transfer-fee already, but IMO it would be quite all right to strike a deal with his agent, who we apparently is on better terms with than RM. Next summer we can offer him more playing time than now, so he might agree to that model?
Maybe he wouldn't want such a deal because it would lower his leverage in wage-negotiation that he can't show offers from other clubs, but on the other hand - we would offer him some good money already now.
It is a crafty way to get him, I know, but it would secure that RM couldn't tempt him with Ronaldo-wage minus 1M€ in the end of this transfer-window.
Cant be true, as every barca-fan on this forum has insisted that Pogba wouldnt cost more than 80m or something.
te amo barca
Blaugrana al vent
what? He would cost 120m at minimum.
Barcilliant
Senior Member
If Juve sell him to Rm I hope they take 150 million.
This window we have bigger needs than him, but I thought of a way to outwit other clubs and get him next summer:
Couldn't we make some sort of deal with him, if he really is interested in joining us (which is widely reported over the years), that he will join next summer?
Like the Mourinho-deal with United, where they would have to pay him a lot of money if they ended up not signing him, and he would have to pay them, if he didn't followed through. Or more infamous like the Figo-transfer to Madrid: The idea is to bind him, and if he breaks it, he has to pay a shitload of money to us. In return we could pay him like 10 M. € - would be worth it IMO, what do you guys think?
I know many in here complains about the transfer-fee already, but IMO it would be quite all right to strike a deal with his agent, who we apparently is on better terms with than RM. Next summer we can offer him more playing time than now, so he might agree to that model?
Maybe he wouldn't want such a deal because it would lower his leverage in wage-negotiation that he can't show offers from other clubs, but on the other hand - we would offer him some good money already now.
It is a crafty way to get him, I know, but it would secure that RM couldn't tempt him with Ronaldo-wage minus 1M€ in the end of this transfer-window.
Thats basically what we did with Neymar isn't it?
George_Costanza
Active member
Keep believing that
Everyone is reporting the Pogba to Madrid story even Di Marzio and it's looking more likely now
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