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I like that. I hope we can get him and 110m is a very good price. The other 100m is for Dembele hopefully.
Paulo Dybala
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I like that. I hope we can get him and 110m is a very good price. The other 100m is for Dembele hopefully.
DonAndres
Wild Man of Borneo
If we get Coutinho and Dybala, then Dembele won't come, likely never. It would require Dembele-Suarez-Dybala up top or as the wingers and striker in a 4231. No way that Valverde would ever play Messi in a 433 midfield next to Coutinho to allow for that kind of lineup, or Coutinho-Busi as the holding mids in a 4231. It was somewhat feasible with Verratti, but with Coutinho there's no chance in hell that side would have balance.
If Dybala comes, the ONLY way that Dembele will ever come here is if Dybala eventually takes Suarez's place as the central striker. And that would mean having Dybala the disappearing act as our main #9 outlet
. This is a player that puts up Pedro-esque numbers and can only really be world class in a system built around him that lets him float in between lines and pick-and-choose his ball usage when he finds a pocket, rather than being a consistent and primary outlet. In a supporting role, I doubt he'd be more than a 120mill Pedro AND fuck our chances of getting Dembele.
If Dybala comes, the ONLY way that Dembele will ever come here is if Dybala eventually takes Suarez's place as the central striker. And that would mean having Dybala the disappearing act as our main #9 outlet
. This is a player that puts up Pedro-esque numbers and can only really be world class in a system built around him that lets him float in between lines and pick-and-choose his ball usage when he finds a pocket, rather than being a consistent and primary outlet. In a supporting role, I doubt he'd be more than a 120mill Pedro AND fuck our chances of getting Dembele.
DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
Dybala is not a pure CF. He'll never be able to replace Suarez the way he should be replaced. By a proper CF.
Dybala would be a half-measure unless we start playing with two strikers in front of Messi, but it's complicated to change the system and that too for one player.
Dybala would be a half-measure unless we start playing with two strikers in front of Messi, but it's complicated to change the system and that too for one player.
DonAndres
Wild Man of Borneo
You're making the assumption that he can play well as a striker. We can't have a false 9 AND Messi, that actually sounds like it'd be disastrous . We already went through the whole process of playing Messi as a false 9 on his own. He himself has said on separate occasions when we had Villa and Suarez that he prefers having a 9 up front to occupy the CB's to free up space for him. Getting Dybala for a false 9/SS position would be going back to square one from 5 years ago, or even further back as it'd be Dybala as a false 9 and not Messi. Teams would once again play to close themselves around Messi and limit him. Dybala's off the ball movement is mostly to check in and receive the ball in plays between the lines, not to make runs away from the ball and to stretch the defense. That basic choice is crucial in giving us space and being a complementary player to Messi, even Neymar does it.
Dybala shows that he sometimes struggles to have a presence in the game when he's playing freely between the lines at Juve with the whole system designed to let him roam and control his own usage. Imagine what'll happen if he's to actually play at the line of CB's and hold up play like Suarez. He'll get marked into invisibility. So a False 9 system with him would NOT work well, nor would he be able to directly replace Suarez. We'd have to redefine a system just to fit him in, and even then not give him the same freedoms that might allow him to be World Class. We don't need him occupying similar areas to Messi and congesting our play which is his natural style of playing. On top of that, we'd sacrifice a potential gem in Dembele if Dybala can't adequately shift over to replace Suarez (which he won't).
No thanks.
. We already went through the whole process of playing Messi as a false 9 on his own. He himself has said on separate occasions when we had Villa and Suarez that he prefers having a 9 up front to occupy the CB's to free up space for him. Getting Dybala for a false 9/SS position would be going back to square one from 5 years ago, or even further back as it'd be Dybala as a false 9 and not Messi. Teams would once again play to close themselves around Messi and limit him. Dybala's off the ball movement is mostly to check in and receive the ball in plays between the lines, not to make runs away from the ball and to stretch the defense. That basic choice is crucial in giving us space and being a complementary player to Messi, even Neymar does it. Dybala shows that he sometimes struggles to have a presence in the game when he's playing freely between the lines at Juve with the whole system designed to let him roam and control his own usage. Imagine what'll happen if he's to actually play at the line of CB's and hold up play like Suarez. He'll get marked into invisibility. So a False 9 system with him would NOT work well, nor would he be able to directly replace Suarez. We'd have to redefine a system just to fit him in, and even then not give him the same freedoms that might allow him to be World Class. We don't need him occupying similar areas to Messi and congesting our play which is his natural style of playing. On top of that, we'd sacrifice a potential gem in Dembele if Dybala can't adequately shift over to replace Suarez (which he won't).
No thanks.
Sepuldinho
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You're making the assumption that he can play well as a striker. We can't have a false 9 AND Messi, that actually sounds like it'd be disastrous
Dybala shows that he sometimes struggles to have a presence in the game when he's playing freely between the lines at Juve with the whole system designed to let him roam and control his own usage. Imagine what'll happen if he's to actually play at the line of CB's and hold up play like Suarez. He'll get marked into invisibility. So a False 9 system with him would NOT work well, nor would he be able to directly replace Suarez. We'd have to redefine a system just to fit him in, and even then not give him the same freedoms that might allow him to be World Class. We don't need him occupying similar areas to Messi and congesting our play which is his natural style of playing. On top of that, we'd sacrifice a potential gem in Dembele if Dybala can't adequately shift over to replace Suarez (which he won't).
No thanks.
agreed. i dont like the idea too so i guess its better for us to go for dembele (LW) + coutinho (iniesta role) with neymar money
khaled_a_d
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Have we ever replaced a player with someone who is same style?
I mean look at front line
We had R10 Eto Giulywho were a great attacking trio.
Messi who was an attacker replaced Giuly who was winger.
Ronaldinho (play maker used as LW) was basically replaced by Henry (Striked used as LW) under Pep
Then Messi -via Ibra- replaced Eto as our striker but by being false 9, Pedro who is pure winger replaced Henry and ultimately Villa who is 9 replaced Pedro on left side and Pedro himself replaced Messi on the right side. And Sanchez was playing in almost all 3 positions when he was here
Later Neymar who isn't a classic winger replaced Villa the striker as LW, Suarez (no9) replaced false 9 Messi who is moved again on the right side before moving later to AM role while we are playing asymmetrical 442
Midfield? We replaced Deco with Iniesta and they are totally different, replaced Xavi with Rakitic and they are totally different, Busquets and Yaya and guess what? they aren't close in terms of playing style
Gio,Abidal & Alba? any of them really similar to the other?
We evolve really, won't mind Dybala as Suarez replacement
That said, I don't see any other position for him in our system, so unless we look for a Suarez replacement I don't see any point for our interest in him, if we are looking for a LW who can be future no9 then Mbappeis is our best bet, Martial is second option for me but would take the former over him for sure.
[MENTION=12906]DonAndres[/MENTION] I think you are a little bit harsh on Dybala, at the age of 23 his dissappearance is a little bit expected, he will have room to grow into more consistant and more dominant player with time.
There goes the hope for Dybala. Onto the next target
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Name the last player whom we bought and kept for a decade.
I can think only of Alves and a domestic guy Pique.
Buying a player and keeping him for 10 years sounds way easier than it actually is.
For one Pique, you have 5 players like Gomes, Denis, Neymar, Fabregas, Alexis, Paco etc
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God Serena
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Yeah, those long term signings are very, very rare. Ironically enough that's something you can only really expect from La Masia players who get decent minutes.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Even though, yes, Jombi is right.
If we buy Griezmann for 100, in 4-5 years, he'll be worth 10-20m.
If we buy Dybala, we can sell him for 60-80 in 4-5 years if he won't be good.
So, a resell value of Dybala is way higher.
The same as with Dembele.
But then, imo, Dembele and Dybala have way higher chances NOT to reach our expectations here, than for example, Griezmann.
Both transfers have Pros and cons.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Oh, I see now that [MENTION=12906]DonAndres[/MENTION] and some other guys don't like Dybala.
I'll jump on that train also.
I don't know why, I just don't see anything THAT special in this guy.
If our targets are Mbappe, Coutinho, Dembele and Dybala, I would be happy with any option WITHOUT Dybala.
But knowing our board, they will probably buy ONLY Dybala, lol.
Dybala is slow as turtle, and I personally don't like his physique.
We already have enough of turtles in Busi, Rakitic, Gomes, Arda, Samper, or even Suarez, for example.
Dembele is at least fast and has a lot of potential.
Coutinho has some magic.
Mbappe has a chance to be the next BallonDOr.
Dybala will just be a random 10th or 20th best player in the world, imo.
Also, as mentioned by other guys, I have no clue where would he play in our system.
Plus, due to his physique and off ball movement, I am also scared that he would be neutralized quite easily (by big teams in a CL).
I'll probably jinx it now, and he will be 100% our star signing this summer
I'll jump on that train also.
I don't know why, I just don't see anything THAT special in this guy.
If our targets are Mbappe, Coutinho, Dembele and Dybala, I would be happy with any option WITHOUT Dybala.
But knowing our board, they will probably buy ONLY Dybala, lol.
Dybala is slow as turtle, and I personally don't like his physique.
We already have enough of turtles in Busi, Rakitic, Gomes, Arda, Samper, or even Suarez, for example.
Dembele is at least fast and has a lot of potential.
Coutinho has some magic.
Mbappe has a chance to be the next BallonDOr.
Dybala will just be a random 10th or 20th best player in the world, imo.
Also, as mentioned by other guys, I have no clue where would he play in our system.
Plus, due to his physique and off ball movement, I am also scared that he would be neutralized quite easily (by big teams in a CL).
I'll probably jinx it now, and he will be 100% our star signing this summer
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Lately I trust surveys from MD, since they are close to a board and they often try to "make sense" of board's decisions.
10 days ago, MD made a survey: would you sell Neymar for 222 Millions and imo then it was clear that MD has infos and that they know that Neymar is gone, so they tried to show that fans also want him gone.
So, basically, MD is showing how the board are actually "good guys".
Today, MD has a survey: whom would you buy if Neymar is gone, and (wtf?) Dybala is on top in that survey:
http://www.mundodeportivo.com/futbol/fc-barcelona/20170731/43248122594/que-crack-ficharias-si-neymar-se-marcha.html
I have no idea whether a survey is rigged (quite possible), or our fans are just crazy.
Anyway, as I have said in a previous post, if I had to put my money (bet) today on whom we will buy after Neymar, it is the most probable that a turtle Dybala is a magical solution by our board
If Dybala is our solution, I would personally even keep the clown Neymar.
He is at least fast.
I don't get an obssession of this board with turtle slow players.
Madrid is constantly buying faster players both in attack and midfield, and we are buying a turtle after a turtle.
No Dybala, please.
Dybala is short, slow and not too physical to get rid of defenders as a Cf.
Barca and City are the only 2 clubs in the world who could play with such a weak Cf (Dybala and Aguero).
10 days ago, MD made a survey: would you sell Neymar for 222 Millions and imo then it was clear that MD has infos and that they know that Neymar is gone, so they tried to show that fans also want him gone.
So, basically, MD is showing how the board are actually "good guys".
Today, MD has a survey: whom would you buy if Neymar is gone, and (wtf?) Dybala is on top in that survey:
http://www.mundodeportivo.com/futbol/fc-barcelona/20170731/43248122594/que-crack-ficharias-si-neymar-se-marcha.html
I have no idea whether a survey is rigged (quite possible), or our fans are just crazy.
Anyway, as I have said in a previous post, if I had to put my money (bet) today on whom we will buy after Neymar, it is the most probable that a turtle Dybala is a magical solution by our board
If Dybala is our solution, I would personally even keep the clown Neymar.
He is at least fast.
I don't get an obssession of this board with turtle slow players.
Madrid is constantly buying faster players both in attack and midfield, and we are buying a turtle after a turtle.
No Dybala, please.
Dybala is short, slow and not too physical to get rid of defenders as a Cf.
Barca and City are the only 2 clubs in the world who could play with such a weak Cf (Dybala and Aguero).
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El Barcelona
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I would be fine with Dybala + Dembélé/coutinhoHome of Barca Fans
