Pep Guardiola

[Doobs]

Sky Italia have retracted their confirmation of the Thiago A. to Bayern deal. But "negotiations at an advanced stage" (via @SkySportNewsHD )

 

[DonAndres]

Summer is not over yet. It remains to be seen what Rosell does or doesn't do. I'll judge when the summer is over but he needs to get us a CB and I have no problem with getting either Thiago Silva or Marquinhos. Those are the 2 I prefer.

You do realize Tito was a very sick man this year right? Roura was in over his head. It's the way it played out and Rosell had no way of knowing that Tito would become ill again. Management should have stepped in though and requested Thiago get more minutes because there was a stipulation in his contract that we could lose out millions on a transfer if he didn't play a certain amount of minutes though.

Tito's absence shows again how little Rosell cares. He appointed Roura?!?!? A guy who's only coaching experience was as an assistant in the Japanese league and in the 3rd division of Spain? If he really feels a guy like that could handle Barcelona just fine and that coaching isn't that difficult then how is this in his favor? Same deal how he thought Tito could easily take over from Pep because it's just that easy to continue the legacy/system of a man with an insanely unique footballing mind. Tito wasn't even able to confidently take over because of the fact that he simply tried to let the team do the same thing as before in such a passive manner, never stamping his authority and always crumbling down to Rosell.

 

[Ryan_Cule]

Except Thiago has never come out and said he wants to leave and by all accounts had not completely made up his mind.

Would you be happy for Pep to start talking to and trying to sign Busquets if he is not happy with the next contract offer and threatens to leave?

Except that we ,including you, don't have a clue whether Thiago or his agent had made it clear that he will be joining Bayern or some other club but will not renew at Barca.

Except that the fact remains we are all arguing here on the basis of media speculations and based on Pep's presser.

Except that the fact remains we know nothing concrete what's going behind the doors and are bashing our Club legend who made Barca a global football phenomenon without having any concrete proofs.


Really, clap for yourselves, Cules.

Visca el Barca, Visca for you.

 

[Tomchin]

Rosell is an idiot and Pep was telling the truth in this press conference.

The timing of Pep's anti-Rosell rant seems strange though? Why did he specifically backlash against Rosell today, on the same day as in which he announced his possible signing of Thiago? Did he want to regain some sympathy among the Cules after undoubtedly losing some for announcing the Thiago-stuff?

Is this his first press-conference at Bayern since signing for them maybe?

 

[Cruijffista]

If Tito has a serious health problem like cancer why he doesnt step down?This disease almost never lets you in peace..

There's been rumors that he offered to but told he didn't need to.

I'll be honest and say that I always thought Luis Enrique was the man for the job and thought he would be the one to take over when Pep finally left.

 

[unknowngenius10]

From 2008-2012, Rosell couldn't enforce himself much over Pep because everyone knew that he wouldn't be pushed around and that he was the top dog at the club. Cesc, Alexis, and Ibra were Pep's mistakes and all that wasn't really a display of Rosell taking away from the club. However aside from Pep's handling of the first team, there were other things Rosell was able to mess with that brought things down such as letting go of Cruyff, appointing Eusebio as B team coach, and various sketchy market investments. He was picking apart the people from Laporta's crew little by little, destroying the legacy he left.

After Pep left is when Rosell could really start putting his control over the club and having a visible influence. He appointed Tito as first team coach, keeping the 3 coaches (Roura, Eusebio, Tito) as his pawns and assuming that they could easily recreate our previous success by attempting to copy Pep's system in a passive way. Youth development was all but shunned and football-wise, Rosell did nothing and instead focused on his marketing developments and the single Neymar transfer without bringing in a defender or focusing on our footballing priorities. Rosell degraded our very philosophy, left the footballing aspect of the club to fend for itself, and instead simply poured all his interest into the financial aspect which "helped" our debt but at what cost?

So your argument goes like this:

1) Rosell let go of Cruyff ( so? how exactly does this affect barca? He wasn't so nice after all if you have read his commentaries. Most spanish speaking fans (from spain) actually don't like him as a person because he has a big mouth. Like when he said "Now with Neymar on the team, I would sell Messi." )
2) Appointed Eusebio as B team coach (Although I agree that Eusebio hasn't been great, I don't see how this is different that Pep making a bad signing.
3) "He was picking apart the people from Laporta's crew little by little, destroying the legacy he left." Who exactly are we talking about? Are we talking about the people Pep took with him?
4) "He appointed Tito as first team coach," As fas as i know, even Pep gave his approval that Tito would be a great person to replace him. Pep has even credited Tito with winning the best league Barcelona has ever won. ( I don't like Tito as a manager, but i don't see how this is any different than Laporta signing Pep when no one thought he could do it ( And it was Rosell's idea that they should sign Pep and it was also Rosell who made the deal that brought us Ronaldinho who would later put Barca at the top of the world of football).
5) "Rosell did nothing and instead focused on his marketing developments and the single Neymar transfer without bringing in a defender " Rosell is a president, his primary function is to look out for Barca's interests. He has worked with marketing? yes, but what president hasn't? We don't know if they will sign a defender yet. But i don't see how you can blame Rosell for not bringing a defender when that's not his business.THIS DEFENDER was suppose to come the season that Cesc was signed instead of this "defender.". ( cesc was not necessary).
If you are given Pep a free pass for his bad signings, why aren't you giving Rosell one? double standard? ( assuming that it's rosell's fault that we lack a defender).

 

[JamDav1982]

Except that we ,including you, don't have a clue whether Thiago or his agent had made it clear that he will be joining Bayern or some other club but will not renew at Barca.

Except that the fact remains we are all arguing here on the basis of media speculations and based on Pep's presser.

Except that the fact remains we know nothing concrete what's going behind the doors and are bashing our Club legend who made Barca a global football phenomenon without having any concrete proofs.


Really, clap for yourselves, Cules.

Visca el Barca, Visca for you.

You are the one assuming to know the situation not me!

Its a fact he has not come out and said he wants to leave.

What about the Busquest question would you be happy with Pep to do that?

 

[Tomchin]

Visca el Barca, Visca for you.

Visca el Barca indeed, that's why we're all so pissed off that our legend Pep has made Barca a little bit weaker today, and in turn has made one of our fiercest rivals atm even stronger.

When reading the comments on EMD and Sport and other football-related websites, you can clearly see that 90% of the Cules feel betrayed by Pep today. So don't really understand why you're looking down on the Cules who feel that way.

 

[Cruijffista]

Tito's absence shows again how little Rosell cares. He appointed Roura?!?!? A guy who's only coaching experience was as an assistant in the Japanese league and in the 3rd division of Spain? If he really feels a guy like that could handle Barcelona just fine and that coaching isn't that difficult then how is this in his favor? Same deal how he thought Tito could easily take over from Pep because it's just that easy to continue the legacy/system of a man with an insanely unique footballing mind. Tito wasn't even able to confidently take over because of the fact that he simply tried to let the team do the same thing as before in such a passive manner, never stamping his authority and always crumbling down to Rosell.

I've never been fully behind Tito. I would have appointed Luis Enrique after the great job he did with our youth as manager of Barcelona B. He understands the ins and outs of the club but his stint in Roma probably put a doubt in everybody's mind. I still think he could be the man for the job.

 

[Ryan_Cule]

You are the one assuming to know the situation not me!

Its a fact he has not come out and said he wants to leave.

What about the Busquest question would you be happy with Pep to do that?

Happy - No. Do you think I am happy if Thiago leaves Barca. NO.

But If Busi says he will leave the club for money reasons and then Our club sits back and doesn't make any approach for days and then other clubs make an offer and Busi accepts it , I will accept it. I will be fucking angry on my board and not angry on Guardiola for making any such offer.

because I am pretty sure If not Guardiola , some other club will make offer for Busi and he will make a move. Its our club who doesn;t do anything. Rosell is a Fu*cking Bastar*.

 

[DonAndres]

So your argument goes like this:

1) Rosell let go of Cruyff ( so? how exactly does this affect barca? He wasn't so nice after all if you have read his commentaries. Most spanish speaking fans (from spain) actually don't like him as a person because he has a big mouth. Like when he said "Now with Neymar on the team, I would sell Messi." )
2) Appointed Eusebio as B team coach (Although I agree that Eusebio hasn't been great, I don't see how this is different that Pep making a bad signing.
3) "He was picking apart the people from Laporta's crew little by little, destroying the legacy he left." Who exactly are we talking about? Are we talking about the people Pep took with him?
4) "He appointed Tito as first team coach," As fas as i know, even Pep gave his approval that Tito would be a great person to replace him. Pep has even credited Tito with winning the best league Barcelona has ever won. ( I don't like Tito as a manager, but i don't see how this is any different than Laporta signing Pep when no one thought he could do it ( And it was Rosell's idea that they should sign Pep and it was also Rosell who made the deal that brought us Ronaldinho who would later put Barca at the top of the world of football).
5) "Rosell did nothing and instead focused on his marketing developments and the single Neymar transfer without bringing in a defender " Rosell is a president, his primary function is to look out for Barca's interests. He has worked with marketing? yes, but what president hasn't? We don't know if they will sign a defender yet. But i don't see how you can blame Rosell for not bringing a defender when that's not his business.THIS DEFENDER was suppose to come the season that Cesc was signed instead of Cesc. ( cesc was not necessary).
If you are given Pep a free pass for his bad signings, why aren't you giving Rosell one? double standard? ( assuming that it's rosell's fault that we lack a defender).

1. Cruyff had a big mouth, still it was in defense of Laporta's reign and all that the club stood for, criticizing Rosell as a president. And the Neymar thing was an obvious joke, anyone should know that
2. He appointed Eusebio to have one of his own people in control, decreasing the amount of authority against him in the club. Besides at least Pep let go of his bad transfers, Rosell kept him there and uses him as a pawn.
3. Lot's of staff have changed since Laporta left, he's taken out anyone supporting him and instead imposed less than useless idiots who act as "yes men", bowing down to Rosell.
4. Not just about appointing Tito, but how he used Tito. The guy had little authority over the team and nothing was brought to change the footballing aspect of things, leaving our gaping holes to only get bigger. It was in a failed attempt to copy Pep's system by not messing with it.
5. All presidents are highly influential in our transfer market endeavors but seriously all Rosell is looking for is marketing and big names/sponsorships, he could hardly care about the footballing side of things. There is no "double standard" or "free pass" for Pep not signing a defender, that was a football related mistake and he clearly thought that his current team could handle things. Pep was obviously much more involved and thought out about the footballing side of things, whereas for Rosell it's mainly neglect.

 

[JamDav1982]

Happy - No. Do you think I am happy if Thiago leaves Barca. NO.

But If Busi says he will leave the club for money reasons and then Our club sits back and doesn't make any approach for days and then other clubs make an offer and Busi accepts it , I will accept it. I will be fucking angry on my board and not angry on Guardiola for making any such offer.

because I am pretty sure If not Guardiola , some other club will make offer for Busi and he will make a move. Its our club who doesn;t do anything. Rosell is a Fu*cking Bastar*.

You miss the point.

The club could well negotiate with Busquets and make him an initial offer he is not happy with. But as long as he has shown any sign of unhappiness Pep can swoop in unsettle the player and make huge promises about Bayern.

 

[zanela]

You didn't object when he and others did the same thing to get Cesc. No one objected because back then we were trying and now Bayern is. Back then Cesc was the property of Arsenal and now we are. Back then Cesc wanted to move and now Thiago wants to move.

And you know this how?

Its not befetting a top managerial personnel to spend a significant amount of time of his presser discussing about an employee, who at this point is still under contract with another club. And i don't remember him specifically state "I want Cesc" during the Barca-Cesc courtship. Its disrespectful to the parent club in question. And if he's doing it only to get back at Rosell n co., it does him no good.

And please spare us the lecture, some of us can respect the legend of Pep, without buying the Pep Utopia.

 

[Tomchin]

But If Busi says he will leave the club for money reasons and then Our club sits back and doesn't make any approach for days and then other clubs make an offer and Busi accepts it , I will accept it. I will be fucking angry on my board and not angry on Guardiola for making any such offer.

Thiago isn't leaving for money though, he's leaving for more playing-time (he'll reportedly only earn 2M net at Bayern which is rather low, I guess at Barca he doesn't earn much less). Which makes the whole transfer so weird, why leave to Bayern, who're even more stacked in midfield than we are!?

 

[spark]

Its also interesting he says Rosell used Tito's illness to his attack him but he ignores Cruyff did the same thing to attack Rosell. Different sides of the same coin except Pep is allied with Johan so he has that familiar blind-spot and double standard I was talking about with his brother.