Pep Guardiola

[StarLord]

Just the two from AC Milan if I am not mistaken. Don't want to check Wiki like Mr. Fanboy over there

Right, and let is also keep in mind that the English teams were banned during that period, and Spanish teams were not that great. Sacchi's Milan were gifted the qualification against Red Star Belgrade in one season (fog replay when Belgrade were leading 1-0 and then scandalously restarted the game from 0-0) and also had to beat some Belgian side on penalties.

It's always good to have some perspective in our claims is all I am saying.

 

[1611]

Right, and let is also keep in mind that the English teams were banned during that period, and Spanish teams were not that great. Sacchi's Milan were gifted the qualification against Red Star Belgrade in one season (fog replay when Belgrade were leading 1-0 and then scandalously restarted the game from 0-0) and also had to beat some Belgian side on penalties.

It's always good to have some perspective in our claims is all I am saying.

Hindsight is always 20/20 as they say

While I won't argue with anything in this post, I think the lack of CL football for English teams and the lack of quality in Spain meant that the talent HAD to go somewhere. You could say they were fortunate to face some Belgian team, but even they had WC talent back then.

 

[StarLord]

Hindsight is always 20/20 as they say

While I won't argue with anything in this post, I think the lack of CL football for English teams and the lack of quality in Spain meant that the talent HAD to go somewhere. You could say they were fortunate to face some Belgian team, but even they had WC talent back then.

I am not doubting that Milan's greatness one bit, and yes, back then, teams from Romania, Yugoslavia, Belgium or the USSR were far more potent than nowadays due to the limitations on transfers, which allowed them to hold onto world class talent for much longer than is possible nowadays.

But I feel that that particular AC Milan is somewhat overrated by many football fans due to the fact that they were the last team to defend the European Cup title. But let us not forget, that back then, the European Cup was a much less daunting proposition than the current CL format. You only had one team from each league, unlike the four you get now (from the top leagues that is) That is the main reason why the CL is so harder to retain vis a vis the old European Cup in which you could even face rather weak teams even in the semis.

Pep's Barca for my money, was the most consistently brilliant and dominant team ever between the years of 2008 and 2011. Truly mesmerizing football, with technically magisterial players at the very peak of their powers.

 

[DonAK]

Pep could've slowed down the game and played slightly more defensively when he saw Porto harrassing his team with high pressure.

Individual mistakes cost them their game, but he should have made the necessarry changes, and subbed out Dante and Alonso earlier too.

 

[DennyCrane]

It's not that Bundesliga teams are crap, it's just that no one will really blame them if they lose to Bayern, so the opportunity cost of giving 100% against Bayern is prohibitive in proportion to the likelihood of any potential benefit. This is entirely reversed in CL situations, where the opposing team will give it 110% due to the life/death nature of the competition.

Exactly. And no matter what Pep apparently told them about the pressure Porto will put on them - there's a difference between knowing that they will pressure them and actually experiencing it. Bayern isn't used to this anymore, especially if it's as well executed as Porto's pressing game.

 

[Morten]

Pep is starting to remind me of Cesc now, only on manager-level. Briliant first-half of the season, fades away in the 2nd.

 

[GoobiePls]

Barca's insider in Bayern. First making Heynckes quit after Bayerns succesful season, now their long standing doctor.

Would be a glorious day when Rummenigge comes back on his words and Pep gets the sack

 

[Ini8]

Well, Bayern went behind Heynckes' back to get Pep and he signed the contract in December 2012 IIRC. If anything, blame Bayern for getting rid of Heynckes.

 

[6 Ballons for Messi]

Why yes, I did read your post, Mr. Fanboy

I must admit that I'm impressed with your Wiki trivia. I hope you learned a lot from the 10 minute browsing you did.

I see how you mentioned Sacchi's Milan and dropped a whole host of star players' names. Again, I never said that great managers don't need great players, or vice versa. Yes that Milan side was loaded as fuck, but remember the context: they weren't playing in 2007-2012 La Liga, at the time not even the world's best league. They played in what most people will agree as the most competitive era of any league in the world. Maradona played for Napoli back then, that would be the equivalent of Messi playing for Sevilla today. AC Milan were stacked because the top 6 teams of Serie A from era were stacked. Every weekend was like a mini-World Cup for them during that time. Bet Wiki didn't tell you that huh?

Would even go as far as to say that Guulit, Rijkaard and van Basten are an inferior trio to Messi, Xavi and Iniesta (Obviously not a like-for-like comparison, but impact-wise)

Oh, need I remind you that Sacchi won B2B UCLs. Something that Pep hasn't done yet

Please stop now, and try to learn more about the game because you are coming off as a glory hunter who only jumped on the Barca bandwagon in 2009.

Hahahahhaha, "every weekend was like a mini-world cup" no mate, wiki didn't tell me that, you are right, hahaha.
Bless you mate, you made me laugh out loud while reading this.
Ok, so your whole argument comes down to "pep didn't win back to back cl's".
Awww, have you informed Ferguson, Ancelotti, Cruyff, Del Bosque, Lippi etc that they are not goat managers? I'm sure they would be delighted to hear your opinion.

 

[King5Puyi]

How does undermining and dissing each other help?

You're fans of F.C. BARCELONA. Humility is our greatest asset.

 

[StarLord]

Exactly. And no matter what Pep apparently told them about the pressure Porto will put on them - there's a difference between knowing that they will pressure them and actually experiencing it. Bayern isn't used to this anymore, especially if it's as well executed as Porto's pressing game.

You know, I often bitch about other leagues not being even remotely as competitive as our own, thus allowing our European rivals (Juventus, PSG, Bayern, Chelsea etc) to take their proverbial feet off the gas when right before a crucial CL game. We (as well as the rest of the Spanish clubs) do not enjoy such luxury as all places in the Spanish league are hotly contested throughout the season (usually)

But, maybe the opposite process may also be at play here. Because we face pressure situations for 38 Jornadas, the team is not shocked when faced with determined and potent European opponents. Hell, we have beaten Man City and PSG much more easily than some mid-level or upper-mid-level La Liga sides!!!

 

[Vlom]

Oh, need I remind you that Sacchi won B2B UCLs. Something that Pep hasn't done yet

How can he have won 2 champions league in a row, no one has ever done that iirc?

I remember reading at the beginning of the season when madrid was (self)tagged as the best team in football history and the sextete incoming blabla that they wanted to be the first team in history to win B2B CL..

 

[1611]

Hahahahhaha, "every weekend was like a mini-world cup" no mate, wiki didn't tell me that, you are right, hahaha.
Bless you mate, you made me laugh out loud while reading this.
Ok, so your whole argument comes down to "pep didn't win back to back cl's".
Awww, have you informed Ferguson, Ancelotti, Cruyff, Del Bosque, Lippi etc that they are not goat managers? I'm sure they would be delighted to hear your opinion.

Did I say that Pep is not the GOAT because he didn't win B2B CLs? Did I say that any of the managers you mentioned are not in the GOAT convo? Right now you're just grasping at straws, Fanboy. Turn off your PlayStation and read a book about the sport. You might learn a thing or two.

TBH I'm convinced that you're a Madridista mocking FCB by posing as a fan here. I'm done humiliating you and your lack of knowledge about the game

How can he have won 2 champions league in a row, no one has ever done that iirc?

I remember reading at the beginning of the season when madrid was (self)tagged as the best team in football history and the sextete incoming blabla that they wanted to be the first team in history to win B2B CL..

Back then the competition was known as the European Cup

 

[6 Ballons for Messi]

Did I say that Pep is not the GOAT because he didn't win B2B CLs? Did I say that any of the managers you mentioned are not in the GOAT convo? Right now you're just grasping at straws, Fanboy. Turn off your PlayStation and read a book about the sport. You might learn a thing or two.

TBH I'm convinced that you're a Madridista mocking FCB by posing as a fan here. I'm done humiliating you and your lack of knowledge about the game



Back then the competition was known as the European Cup

Ahh, I see, I'm the secret madridista that's also a Pep fanboy while you are an honest barca fan who disses him.
You must have a good laugh with your mates in your actual team's forum.

 

[raki]

Did I say that Pep is not the GOAT because he didn't win B2B CLs? Did I say that any of the managers you mentioned are not in the GOAT convo? Right now you're just grasping at straws, Fanboy. Turn off your PlayStation and read a book about the sport. You might learn a thing or two.

TBH I'm convinced that you're a Madridista mocking FCB by posing as a fan here. I'm done humiliating you and your lack of knowledge about the game



Back then the competition was known as the European Cup

Are you comparing the european cup to CL? LOL