Pep Guardiola

StarLord

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Love it how people continue to make excuses for him. It's like a girlfriend that left you, you won't face up to facts that she walked away

Pep (like Jose) is a very divisive figure in football. Some like to lionize him out of all proportion (just like Jose's fanbois do) and giving him excessive credit for Barca success between 2008 and 2011. Others, try and belittle him, saying he had the best players, he had Messi etc while conveniently forgetting that all other successful managers had great players as well, or got very lucky at some stage. Still, people on football forums and pundits on TV tend to grossly exaggerate the influence of managers on football results. The fact of the matter is that there is simply not enough evidence for anyone to make these obscene claims about how this or that manager is so great.
 

Blaugrana Bull

HiiiPoWeR
Pep (like Jose) is a very divisive figure in football. Some like to lionize him out of all proportion (just like Jose's fanbois do) and giving him excessive credit for Barca success between 2008 and 2011. Others, try and belittle him, saying he had the best players, he had Messi etc while conveniently forgetting that all other successful managers had great players as well, or got very lucky at some stage. Still, people on football forums and pundits on TV tend to grossly exaggerate the influence of managers on football results. The fact of the matter is that there is simply not enough evidence for anyone to make these obscene claims about how this or that manager is so great.

You mention your opinion about managers in so many posts. But you are wrong dude. There is a reason that several managers have success in different places and others do not. There is a reason you have to spend several years to get a license to coach pro clubs. Managers are one of the most important pieces of a football club (or sports clubs in general) and of course there is enough evidence that proves that.
It is crazy to deny that.
 

Blaugrana Bull

HiiiPoWeR
I am listening. Just to spell it out briefly if you may.

Do you want me to list every coach that won trophies with different clubs? Every club that improved/avoided relegation etc. after they changed coaches during a season? Every statement players ever made about how coaches developed them, made them who they are and all that stuff? Every coach that created new systems or styles of play that influenced the whole sport? Every time bad coaches influenced teams in a negative way?
 

goope

Member
:alves: :
"I always pay for my big mouth but I ain't no liar. Before the (2014) World Cup, Pep wanted to coach Brazil and they didn't wanted him. Pep said that he wanted to make us the world champions and he had the whole strategy but they (CBF) didn't wanted him to. They've said that they didn't know how the country would react. If you didn't accept the best of the world, who could have made us better, you don't really care about the Seleção."

"Since I've been on the Seleção, Pep already had the team on his mind. He had the team he wanted to coach for Brazil."

Here some source so that this post doesn't get deleted like my post in the Messi thread yesterday:
http://extra.globo.com/esporte/pep-...-antes-da-copa-diz-daniel-alves-16687557.html
 

Silas

Member
They had a chance to have the best trainer in the world at that time and decided to hire Scolari instead? What a bunch o losers.
 
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DennyCrane

Senior Member
The media coverage in Germany surrounding the recent Bayern transfers is a riot.

For all the non-german members, who should all be thankful to be spared from this foolishness due to the language barrier, the basic notion is: Pep is taking over Bayern and killing it's identity.

And what is more, after following the articles of self-proclaimed experts and pundits over the last few weeks and regarding their opinions, Pep should keep the following guidelines close to heart:

- Everything but a treble season is at best a mixed season and serves as a welcome opportunity to overanalyze every match the team lost over and over again. Bonus points are rewarded for pointing out the big surprise that a high line makes a team vulnerable to counters.

- Shouting tactical advice from the sidelines is useless and only serves to unsettle the team.

- Foreign players, especially players from Spain or South America, are equipped with the mystical ability to destroy the club's identity. Avoid at all costs !

- There are players in your squad who are old, past it or notoriously injured and you wanna sell them ? Well, fuck you, you're destroying the club's identity.

- Regardless of how big your squad is, no player should be benched ever, because they just won't feel valued enough.

- Conflict or difference of opinion with the club's employees equals bullying and translates directly to an attempt to take over the entire club. Avoid.

- Not immediately extending your contract, presumably in a timeframe of 25 to life, means stringing the club along.

Even covering all these points, winning every match with a goal margin of at least three and winning the treble would be no reason to become too complacent though. Better hope that no opponent ever creates a chance from a counter, because otherwise your system will be branded as deeply flawed and unsuitable to win the big matches.
 

Barcaman

Administrator
Staff member
I get your point, media are crazy.
Still, they do reflect the popular opinion that pep muzzled Bayern. Also, and correct me if I'm wrong, people in Germany are generally fed up with Pep. I talked with various people and they find pep irritating.

Trebles are rare that much is right but let's not pretend that winning Bundesliga is a feat for Bayern and current state of opposition in Germany.
 

DennyCrane

Senior Member
I get your point, media are crazy.
Still, they do reflect the popular opinion that pep muzzled Bayern. Also, and correct me if I'm wrong, people in Germany are generally fed up with Pep. I talked with various people and they find pep irritating.

Trebles are rare that much is right but let's not pretend that winning Bundesliga is a feat for Bayern and current state of opposition in Germany.


The younger fans are certainly more docile in their reactions towards Pep than the old-school is. The local and/or long-term (as in 15+ years) Bayern fans are indeed irritated by him, to say the least, but the media is playing their part in riling them up as well.

And this strange neo-traditionalism on display in the context of the Schweinsteiger transfer is completely out of place in my opinion: Players like Lizarazu or Sagnol had louder chants coming from the stands than Schweinsteiger ever had, yet suddenly the latter is painted as the über-figure-head of the club whose departure is a bad omen or worse.


I wondered when the Bavarians would lose patience with the 'Spanish' foreigner at the club

The issue seems to run deeper than just the foreigner-thing. The underlying notion is that Pep plays a key role in transforming Bayern from a family-club to a cold and calculating money making machine. Let that sink in.

I wonder if these fans or pundits ever took an objective look at Bayern's development over the last ten years or so. Probably not, since they'd recognize that this transformation started way earlier and that their much beloved Hoeneß played a key part in this.
 
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DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
More like Shit Source Sports backed by the Shittiest "Journalist" of them all, Tancredi Palmeri.
 

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