Pep Guardiola

[DonAK]

I think he'll move there or to another PL team too. Maybe next year or in a few years. I'm not taking anything Tancredi says though. The guy's perhaps the worst football journalist out there who spots a lot of rubbish and seem to have something against Barca too which makes him even more dislikable(Pep's future got nothing to do with Barca just to get that in). Don't get how he managed to land a job at Gazzetta.

 

[Drexl]

In two years the United job will be available. I hope he'll never join a club like chel$ea or shitty.

 

[StarLord]

I hope he'll never join a club like chel$ea or shitty.

Why? Is there any fundamental difference?

 

[i_bleed_blaugrana]

Personally I don't think Pep will find things any easier at City. Yes, their current crop of players are much better suited to his style than at Bayern, but he's going to find stiff competition from UTD and Chelsea with two coaches who already know his tricks and how to exploit them.

Plus if he thought it was hard to teach the German's tiki-taka, wait till he tries it with the Englishmen, the inventors of punt and run football

Not saying he can't succeed there nor that English football hasn't had their innovators in the past.

I'd say the biggest advantage over Bayern is he won't have the weight of being the identity of German football to a club that needs an identity.

I just have a feeling this season won't go well for him. Ripping the German's from a Bavarian club and replacing them with inconsistent and temperamental South Americans certainly won't win him any fans, especially as it's two new players learning a very complex style of football.

He should just force a move to the Brazil NT. That seems to be the sort of players he wants to work with and especially since he will be coaching Neymar, thereby indirectly aiding Barça, I think he'd like nurturing him to take Messi's throne.

 

[frog-fcb]

In two years the United job will be available. I hope he'll never join a club like chel$ea or shitty.

He could always go to stoke to add to there la masia revolution

 

[Yannik]

I think Bayern can cope pretty well without him. The only problem could be Thiago.
Its not quite sure wether he will be commited to the club or to Guardiola.
However I think that a 24yr old like him doesnt need a mentor anymore.

 

[silvia]

I know what is problem in Munchen quite well.
It is taboo to say racist because of horrible history, but still remains left all around the culture.
It is probably the most closed leagues in the world, and it isn't that long they started to accept foreign players.
I was bundesliga fan cuz my national player was playing there, but truth is locals prefer 17 year old german rather than 25 year old world class player. Even the latter was wayyyy better made it to champions leagues with quite amazing goals.
so it is natural they don't love foreign coach.
Did anyone see the article of language that german must be prime language in locker room? do u imagine african or brazilian in Munchen? well that says all.
Or just treble before he just came in and worldcup was the major part.

 

[Luftstalag14]

That's not it. Many Bayern fans want Guardiola out not because he is Spanish/Catalan and not German, but because they felt he has failed miserably in failing to win the CL in two seasons after he took over and he felt his tactics did not play to the strengths of Bayern players.

That said, there seems to be constantly ongoing debate on how many non-German players Bayern should have and the so-called "German identity" thingy that you don't see in other leagues.

 

[Neymessi]

You can't really blame him for last season. Bayern lost due to sheer bad luck against dortmund in dfb pokal final and no manager in the world could have won against us with that many injuries that they had.

 

[silvia]

That's not it. Many Bayern fans want Guardiola out not because he is Spanish/Catalan and not German, but because they felt he has failed miserably in failing to win the CL in two seasons after he took over and he felt his tactics did not play to the strengths of Bayern players.

That said, there seems to be constantly ongoing debate on how many non-German players Bayern should have and the so-called "German identity" thingy that you don't see in other leagues.

What is the difference between how many germans they should have and how many non-germans they have? and german identity? what is that supposed to mean? it is just what is meant to say.
i saw the reactions from local fans directly, so that is how i know.
They can be patient to their national players, otherwise not.

Yeah tactics didn't work out, result was below expected, so it is mixed problems.

 

[Gasgas]

What is the difference between how many germans they should have and how many non-germans they have? and german identity? what is that supposed to mean? it is just what is meant to say.
i saw the reactions from local fans directly, so that is how i know.
They can be patient to their national players, otherwise not.

Yeah tactics didn't work out, result was below expected, so it is mixed problems.

it looks like he is making bayern more spanish and less german with arrivals such as thiago bernat alonso, pepe reina, and depatures such as kroos and shweinsteiger

 

[Luftstalag14]

What is the difference between how many germans they should have and how many non-germans they have? and german identity? what is that supposed to mean? it is just what is meant to say.
i saw the reactions from local fans directly, so that is how i know.
They can be patient to their national players, otherwise not.

Yeah tactics didn't work out, result was below expected, so it is mixed problems.

We are talking about two different issues. You are saying they never accepted Guardiola because he is not German, to that I say that is not true. People were very enthusiastic when Bayern hired Guardiola two seasons ago. Critics only came out because of his perceived abysmal results (I certainly don't agree personally).

The other issue is this German identity thingy. Even at the press conference ahead of the German Super Cup today, Guardiola was asked about it and he said "Bayern is a German club. I'm learning German everyday, so do Alonso, Costa and Vidal. No one is trying to change the club's identity". This is related to many Bayern fans' criticism of Bayern having too many, especially Spanish players. I am saying such a thing would not be an issue in many other clubs and leagues.

 

[Yannik]

What is the difference between how many germans they should have and how many non-germans they have? and german identity? what is that supposed to mean? it is just what is meant to say.
i saw the reactions from local fans directly, so that is how i know.
They can be patient to their national players, otherwise not.

This identity-thing isnt really about nationality. Its about commitment.Alaba is seen as Identity-material, and he isnt german. Could apply the same to Robben and Ribery. These players spend their half careers or mroe at Bayern. The fans connect to a certain core of players. Kroos for example was german, was a youth-product but he left over monetary issues, he wasnt Bayern-identity.
The fans see their team as a family and as a symbol, and they do not like to see members of it leaving. They have this core that they are used to and that they love, and now they feel like this core gets replaced by something that the coach prefers, a spanish core.

 

[Luftstalag14]

This identity-thing isnt really about nationality. Its about commitment.Alaba is seen as Identity-material, and he isnt german. Could apply the same to Robben and Ribery. These players spend their half careers or mroe at Bayern. The fans connect to a certain core of players. Kroos for example was german, was a youth-product but he left over monetary issues, he wasnt Bayern-identity.
The fans see their team as a family and as a symbol, and they do not like to see members of it leaving. They have this core that they are used to and that they love, and now they feel like this core gets replaced by something that the coach prefers, a spanish core.

Yannik, I am not sure if that cuts it. From what I have read, there is no such thing as "Bayern identity" tied to players spending a long time at Bayern or Bayern youth products per say, Bayern fans loved Ballack and Kroos and hated them only because they left.

"Bayern identify" can be loosely equated to "German identity" as Bayern always seeks to sign the best German prospects and vice versa (the best German prospects usually prefer playing for Bayern). The ongoing debate/controversy highlighted by Hitzfeld's recent criticism of Bayern not retaining enough German players does have more of a nationalistic undertone, I felt.

 

[Yannik]

Yannik, I am not sure if that cuts it. From what I have read, there is no such thing as "Bayern identity" tied to players spending a long time at Bayern or Bayern youth products per say, Bayern fans loved Ballack and Kroos and hated them only because they left.

"Bayern identify" can be loosely equated to "German identity" as Bayern always seeks to sign the best German prospects and vice versa (the best German prospects usually prefer playing for Bayern). The ongoing debate/controversy highlighted by Hitzfeld's recent criticism of Bayern not retaining enough German players does have more of a nationalistic undertone, I felt.

the definition is very loosely, but noone at Bayern would ever come up with the idea that Robben, Alaba or Ribery should be viewed as "outsiders" or whatever you want to call it, just because they were randomly born elsewhere. Ribery is more of a fan-favourite than Götze or Rode is, not just because he is good, but because he kinda loves the club and the fans have recognized that.
Hitzfeld said something about it, but the majority did disagree with him and i also think that his statements were pretty stupid, regardless of what a great coach he was.