Pep Guardiola

[serghei]

Ederson and Dias would walk in imo but Id agree on the rest

No chance on Dias. Ederson vs Valdes would be close, but I'd take Valdes. That's it.

Dias instead of Puyol, Pique, Mascherano?

 

[khaled_a_d]

Ederson and Dias would walk in imo but Id agree on the rest

Dias over 2011 Mascherano most probably, yeah.
Ederson over VV? Overall maybe, but I think in those seasons VV was better

 

[Rassvet]

No chance on Dias. Ederson vs Valdes would be close, but I'd take Valdes. That's it.

Dias instead of Puyol, Pique, Mascherano?

Dias ahead of Pique in 09 and Masch in 11.

 

[KingLeo10]

Ederson would deserve the nod when he comes up with a display like VV v Arsenal (before we were ultra dominant). I value the basics of goalkeeping ahead of fancy footwork (not that VV was a slouch here either).

 

[DonAK]

I know Pique is bad right now, but Pique back then was a better player than Dias.

 

[messi2140]

Ederson is overrated. similar level to Mats but he is actually a good passer

 

[serghei]

Dias ahead of Pique in 09 and Masch in 11.

Just no. Would have been a top squad player that would probably replace Pique in 2-3 years after he faded and lost his edge.

Pique and Mascherano were beasts back then.

Look at Dias last night. Man was really bad.

 

[malvolio]

Neither tbf. Maybe Dias but not proven enough for me

 

[DonAK]

Yeah.

Give me the better shot-stopper and someone that's not afraid to rush out of his line.

VV was better at that than Ederson. And before people bring up Valdes' blunders they should know Ederson has his share of them as well where he gets overconfident and fucks up.

 

[Rory]

He can be criticised and maybe he should be.
Pundits and users like you here take the easy route, it's easy and simple and maybe it will become the "truth". In reality I don't think it's that simple.
City was very close to score multiple times both before and after the goal, their crosses only just not reaching their targets.
Yesterdays game could have easily gone the other way with the first goal from City, letting them cruise to a simple victory after.

Bobo you need some comprehension lessons. I didn't say it was as simple as "duhh pep done make a mistake and lose match". In my brief few points I kept them vague to allow for this impossible to know aspect in football. You should really cut out the whole thinking you're a genius thing. And labelling other users as x, y or z so to devalue anything they say. Example "Pundits and users like you here take the easy route". You're trying to paint this image that what I've said is some dumb, ignorant crap when it's perfectly valid.

Yesterdays game could have gone either way, right. That's because it's a game of football. The things pep could control, he didn't control well yesterday. Not accusing him of being satan himself, just that he made a few mistakes (which contributed to their defeat). City also failed to have any good chance created, partly due to their setup and team selection.

 

[Bobo32]

Bobo you need some comprehension lessons. I didn't say it was as simple as "duhh pep done make a mistake and lose match". In my brief few points I kept them vague to allow for this impossible to know aspect in football. You should really cut out the whole thinking you're a genius thing. And labelling other users as x, y or z so to devalue anything they say. Example "Pundits and users like you here take the easy route". You're trying to paint this image that what I've said is some dumb, ignorant crap when it's perfectly valid.

Yesterdays game could have gone either way, right. That's because it's a game of football. The things pep could control, he didn't control well yesterday. Not accusing him of being satan himself, just that he made a few mistakes (which contributed to their defeat). City also failed to have any good chance created, partly due to their setup and team selection.

I don't think I'm a genius but I do think you and many others are making a lazy claim. This is all the labelling I'm doing, I think you label me more just now.

I try to get you and others to describe in more detail why it was a mistake to leave a pure dmc out, now you say there were a few more mistakes, what are they?
Yes they played with a pure dmc mostly before (although sometimes these players played as CBs instead right?) and yes they lost, but was the problem too little cover in that position? What from the game tells you Fernardinho/Rodri would make the game a lot different?

As I said, I think a problem was even Gundogan was a bit too poor on the ball. City had a pretty easy control of the ball, pinned Chelseas back 5 with three players, but failed to make good progress through midfield. I didn't see a lot of space in front of their CBs being used a lot. Maybe I didn't watch enough but please go into more detail then?

 

[Marshall D Teach]

Once again, trying to be too cute with his lineup instead of keeping it simple cost him.

City were crap yesterday though. Not sure how much of it was down to playing a weird formation and how much of it was them simply not showing up.

 

[Sterlingfan2000]

Once again, trying to be too cute with his lineup instead of keeping it simple cost him.

City were crap yesterday though. Not sure how much of it was down to playing a weird formation and how much of it was them simply not showing up.

Or Chelsea beeing good. Remember Chelsea made Madrid and Atletico look like Huesca

 

[Rory]

I don't think I'm a genius but I do think you and many others are making a lazy claim. This is all the labelling I'm doing, I think you label me more just now.

I try to get you and others to describe in more detail why it was a mistake to leave a pure dmc out, now you say there were a few more mistakes, what are they?
Yes they played with a pure dmc mostly before (although sometimes these players played as CBs instead right?) and yes they lost, but was the problem too little cover in that position? What from the game tells you Fernardinho/Rodri would make the game a lot different?

As I said, I think a problem was even Gundogan was a bit too poor on the ball. City had a pretty easy control of the ball, pinned Chelseas back 5 with three players, but failed to make good progress through midfield. I didn't see a lot of space in front of their CBs being used a lot. Maybe I didn't watch enough but please go into more detail then?

Not after a big debate though. City looked poor at building up play yesterday. Part of that is on the players. Part of that is on pep disrupting the "normal" setup of his team so the players weren't used to each others rhythms and positions as much as they usually are. That's 1 reason why I think pep made a mistake in not playing one of Fernandinho or Rodri. One of them have played in almost every game this year and have skillsets the other choices don't, the players around them are used to having them there all season.

 

[Bobo32]

Not after a big debate though. City looked poor at building up play yesterday. Part of that is on the players. Part of that is on pep disrupting the "normal" setup of his team so the players weren't used to each others rhythms and positions as much as they usually are. That's 1 reason why I think pep made a mistake in not playing one of Fernandinho or Rodri. One of them have played in almost every game this year and have skillsets the other choices don't, the players around them are used to having them there all season.

Yeah but it's assumptions you make about the players being used to.. They are not used to play Chelsea in a final, and Pep doesn't really ever use a "normal" setup but always switches stuff around.
Didn't these players play as CB a lot? Or was it another season? I'm sure they played some games without them at midfield.

So we at least agree on the problem being in buildup mostly? I say Gundogan should be better there than the other two, and that the decision thus makes some sense in isolation.
I'm not after a debate either, but just saw this tiring argument that I think is not well thought-out and wanted a better explanation of what he did wrong and why. The arguments aren't satisfying to me.