Premier League 2014/15

[footyfan]

a)Because this only affects the top3.
Barca/real are many points from the third most of the times. That doesn't mean that the league is less competitive in lower tiers.
In fact, the battle for the europe slots is much more competitive than bpl's as evidenced by the results between these teams in europa league.

b)This is a false point in the last 2 seasons, atletico won it last season in the very last match day and it got played out till the 2 last matches this season too. While in england man.c and chelsea won it easily.

c)You also referenced the number of goals, as a measure of competitiveness. Yet when I say that they would score as much in the bpl, you agree, so, why did you lie in the first place?

I think we have different definitions for competitive. You are using competitive as in better. I'm using competitive as in the teams are closely matched.

a) I don't get what you're saying. With 1 game left, there are 3 teams fighting for the Europa league spot - Liverpool, Spurs and Southampton. That is what competitive means imo. How they actually perform in the Europa League has nothing to do with how competitive that Europa League spot in the EPL is.

b) Man City also won it on the last day last season. Yes, Chelsea have won it quite easily this season and Barca have not. I will concede the title race was much more competitive in La Liga than EPL this season. But that still doesn't erase that Barca have 6 more points than Chelsea at this stage and a +88 goal difference as compared to +42. Their games against the other teams in La Liga are less competitive, because the teams are matched closer in the EPL than La Liga.

c) My whole point is that Barca and Real are making La Liga uncompetitive, and they're not in the EPL - they're in La Liga. What don't you understand, and where did I lie?

 

[6 Ballons for Messi]

I think we have different definitions for competitive. You are using competitive as in better. I'm using competitive as in the teams are closely matched.

So europa league is more competitive than cl, since there is more diversity there?
Why should we care about some bad teams battling it out, because that's what liverpool and totnam and the rest of them are.
The most competitive league is the league with the best teams in the world and that's la liga.

 

[footyfan]

So europa league is more competitive than cl, since there is more diversity there?
Why should we care about some bad teams battling it out, because that's what liverpool and totnam and the rest of them are.
The most competitive league is the league with the best teams in the world and that's la liga.

Competitive in the context of this discussion, then yes.

I'm not saying your definition of competitive is wrong, it's just not what this comparison discussion was about. People want to watch games where the teams are more or less evenly matched, this is a truism in pretty much every sport. I didn't stay up all night wondering whether Barcelona will manage to beat Cordoba and this kind of shit happens all too often with the top 2 in La Liga.

It is always a balancing act when it comes to overall quality of the teams and the competitiveness between the teams. Not many people will watch Sunday league games where all the teams are on 5 points, and not many people will watch a league where you can predict all the spots from 1-20 before a single match has been played even if it has the best teams in the world.

 

[Dinho]

And Messi will wet his shorts on a cold rainy evening at the Britannia stadium....

2010 called and want their joke back. Also, there's a better chance of Messi doing that than you making a legitimate argument.

Nope the closest league doesnt make it toughest to win.

Otherwise the English Championship was 'tougher' to win this year than the EPL.

Finishing above Barca or Real Madrid is a tougher ask than anything an EPL team has to do to win that league.

Some pretty awful logic here.

So you're saying that because Real Madrid and Barcelona have such vastly superior squads and an huge financial over the rest of the teams, it makes it harder to win? It doesn't make it harder to win. It makes it virtually impossible to win. Simeone performed a miracle. Now his squad has returned to it's normal level after just one season. Clubs such as Sevilla, Valencia and Atlético are in a mini league of their own. Then there's the rest.

I don't understand the Sturridge can't stay fit because of his genetics bit ?

EDIT; whilst the Prem does often flip form on it's head, and makes MOTD fun to watch, the fact is that only a couple of teams were actually strong enough to win it this season.Chelsea n City.

He's injury prone. His father was a footballer and was injury prone as well. So were his uncles. His muscles tear easily and a knock to a normal player can hurt him more easily. He's admitted to this himself. He'll probably be injury prone for the rest of his career. He's a very, very good player when fit.

 

[Dinho]

That's clear epl bias. Chelsea have 11 more points than the 2nd place, and 14 more than the 3rd. Barça lost at home to celta and malaga, hardly what you call top sides. In any league, any team can beat the other any given day.
From day one everyone knew the epl winner would be either chelsea or city. THAT unpredictability...

Any of Chelsea, City, Arsenal and United could have won the league.

Arsenal have games in hand.

Southampton having the season that they've had. Lost all their best players and still managed to have their best ever season. Unpredictability. Swansea potentially finishing 7th. Unpredictability. United only finishing 4th despite the money spent and the late run they went on before collapsing. Unpredictability.

Two things were guaranteed with La Liga this season. Barcelona or Real Madrid as the top two. A.Madrid and Valencia fighting for 3rd. Everyone else outside of Sevilla is so far off 4th. Villarreal are miles off the pace yet still comfortably in 6th. They perform miracles. Great club.

La Liga might produce a better standard of attacking football on a head to head basis, but their is huge lack of competition at the top. Barcelona and Real Madrid killed the sport.

 

[JamDav1982]

Any of Chelsea, City, Arsenal and United could have won the league.

Arsenal have games in hand.

Southampton having the season that they've had. Lost all their best players and still managed to have their best ever season. Unpredictability. Swansea potentially finishing 7th. Unpredictability. United only finishing 4th despite the money spent and the late run they went on before collapsing. Unpredictability.

Two things were guaranteed with La Liga this season. Barcelona or Real Madrid as the top two. A.Madrid and Valencia fighting for 3rd. Everyone else outside of Sevilla is so far off 4th. Villarreal are miles off the pace yet still comfortably in 6th. They perform miracles. Great club.

La Liga might produce a better standard of attacking football on a head to head basis, but their is huge lack of competition at the top. Barcelona and Real Madrid killed the sport.

How can you say Man Utd or Arsenal were more likely to win EPL than Atletico were to win La Liga?

The most one sided competition in England the past two seasons has been the EPL.

Have Barca, Real and Bayern killed the CL as well as extremely likely one of those three will win it each season.

 

[Ghosting]

Any of Chelsea, City, Arsenal and United could have won the league.

Arsenal have games in hand.

Southampton having the season that they've had. Lost all their best players and still managed to have their best ever season. Unpredictability. Swansea potentially finishing 7th. Unpredictability. United only finishing 4th despite the money spent and the late run they went on before collapsing. Unpredictability.

Two things were guaranteed with La Liga this season. Barcelona or Real Madrid as the top two. A.Madrid and Valencia fighting for 3rd. Everyone else outside of Sevilla is so far off 4th. Villarreal are miles off the pace yet still comfortably in 6th. They perform miracles. Great club.

La Liga might produce a better standard of attacking football on a head to head basis, but their is huge lack of competition at the top. Barcelona and Real Madrid killed the sport.

 

[6 Ballons for Messi]

Hahahaha.
I always laugh my ass off when at the end or start of every season bpl fanboys say "hurr our league is the most competitive, X teams challenge for the title", it's ridiculous really.
The funny part or scary depending on how you see it, is that these are the same people that label totnam as losers, the same people that call liverpool underachievers, the same people that joke about arsenal being 4th all the time.
But when it's an argument about the leagues' ranking, they forget all about that and suddenly these joke teams become bpl challengers.
And I haven't even touched their appalling results in europe, especially considering the dominance spanish teams show in both CL and EL.

 

[Dinho]

How can you say Man Utd or Arsenal were more likely to win EPL than Atletico were to win La Liga?

The most one sided competition in England the past two seasons has been the EPL.

Have Barca, Real and Bayern killed the CL as well as extremely likely one of those three will win it each season.

Because in any normal league, the champions don't lose their three best players in one summer. But not in La Liga. It was very unlikely that they would finish within 5 points of the eventual winners.

Arsenal were top of The Premier League for the majority of last season. They will likely finish closer to Chelsea than A.Madrid will to Barcelona. United could have finished 2nd had they not slipped up against Everton and West Brom. They were on a great run, beating Liverpool, City and unluckily losing against Chelsea.

Liverpool could have won The Premier League lasts season. As could Chelsea. Hardly predictable when the order of the top four changes every season.

Real Madrid? LOL. One final in 12 years. The Champions League always throws up a new final every year and an underdog always does well. In a different world to La Liga and Pep FC.

 

[Dinho]

What a bunch of uncivilised children we have here. Not one solid argument between you.

My Liga betta dan yo' League. is the equivalent of your posts.

 

[Dinho]

Hahahaha.
I always laugh my ass off when at the end or start of every season bpl fanboys say "hurr our league is the most competitive, X teams challenge for the title", it's ridiculous really.
The funny part or scary depending on how you see it, is that these are the same people that label totnam as losers, the same people that call liverpool underachievers, the same people that joke about arsenal being 4th all the time.
But when it's an argument about the leagues' ranking, they forget all about that and suddenly these joke teams become bpl challengers.
And I haven't even touched their appalling results in europe, especially considering the dominance spanish teams show in both CL and EL.

English clubs and Italian clubs have never taken The Europa League seriously. The Champions League spot is helping to change.

 

[JamDav1982]

What a bunch of uncivilised children we have here. Not one solid argument between you.

My Liga betta dan yo' League. is the equivalent of your posts.

Get over yourself.

Your posts about the EPL being 'more competitive' and the top two killing La Liga is just cliched bull shit your hear from EPL media.

You seem to think Arsenal and Man Utd prove more competitive league than Atletico who are current league holders, CL finalists last year and went further than any English team this year.

 

[6 Ballons for Messi]

English clubs and Italian clubs have never taken The Europa League seriously. The Champions League spot is helping to change.

If I was admin I'd give you a small forum break.
You can't say that your teams are better than liga's and then when comparing the head to head results say "lolz, we lose on purpose, lolol".
That's 4chan level of trolling.

 

[JamDav1982]

English clubs and Italian clubs have never taken The Europa League seriously. The Champions League spot is helping to change.

Any more EPL based cliches you want to spout?

Most English teams treat Europa League in exact same way as Spanish and play their better team as tournament progresses.

 

[JamDav1982]

Because in any normal league, the champions don't lose their three best players in one summer. But not in La Liga. It was very unlikely that they would finish within 5 points of the eventual winners.

Arsenal were top of The Premier League for the majority of last season. They will likely finish closer to Chelsea than A.Madrid will to Barcelona. United could have finished 2nd had they not slipped up against Everton and West Brom. They were on a great run, beating Liverpool, City and unluckily losing against Chelsea.

Liverpool could have won The Premier League lasts season. As could Chelsea. Hardly predictable when the order of the top four changes every season.

Real Madrid? LOL. One final in 12 years. The Champions League always throws up a new final every year and an underdog always does well. In a different world to La Liga and Pep FC.

Good job on trolling.