Premier League 2015/16

Who will win the PL?


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JamDav1982

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Sure, if you want it to be.



There's more trophies than the CL:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UEFA_club_competition_winners



The Italians have as many UCL's this decade and more last decade.

You are obsessed with history that has no relevance to current better league.

No Italian team has won a European trophy since 2010 and in that time two european trophies have gone to EPL teams. In which time EPL has ALWAYS been ranked higher.

You are all over the place and point to coefficient being close as marker that Serie A is getting better and possibly overtake yet totally dismiss it when it doesnt suit.
 

xXKonan

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I use to think Mangala after spending one season in the EPL he would Improve but....

He's still so bad on the ball and just seems like a Disaster waiting to happen in the back.

Reminds me a lot of Sakho in some aspects.
 

Jair Ventura

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You are obsessed with history that has no relevance to current better league.

It has nothing to do with me being obsessed. You made a statement, your statement was incorrect. Currently, the Italian league is stronger than the English.

No Italian team has won a European trophy since 2010 and in that time two european trophies have gone to EPL teams. In which time EPL has ALWAYS been ranked higher.

Yes, Chelsea has been the only English club relevant in continental competitions, and now they suck too.

You are all over the place and point to coefficient being close as marker that Serie A is getting better and possibly overtake yet totally dismiss it when it doesnt suit.

*shrug* I don't know what you're talking about. For me, Serie A is the stronger league for a number of reasons and this season has only made that more apparent.
 

JamDav1982

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Nope my statement is entirely correct I am afraid.

On european ranking and trophies the EPL is ahead of Serie A. You dont want to nail down a time frame so will take Uefas criteria of last 5 seasons.

In which time Italy has one finalist and zero trophies in European competition and has never been ranked higher than fourth.

In that same time the EPL has been ranked above Italy every year, won two european trophies. Had more european finalists, had more european semi finalist and more european quarter finalists.

But all that goes out the window for your opinion based on nothing really.
 

Jair Ventura

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Nope my statement is entirely correct I am afraid.

The English don't have as many European trophies as the Italians, so no, it wasn't.

On european ranking and trophies the EPL is ahead of Serie A. You dont want to nail down a time frame so will take Uefas criteria of last 5 seasons.

No, the EPL doesn't have as many trophies as Serie A. But yes, the EPL is currently enjoying a dwindling advantage in the UEFA coefficients, but this is changing. The latter's 6pt advantage at the end of last seasons competition being evidence of this.

In which time Italy has one finalist and zero trophies in European competition and has never been ranked higher than fourth.

I hope you're referring only to the last 5 seasons, which I already referenced as Italy's temporary fall from grace? Even then they've sent two different clubs to UCL finals, winning one of them.

In that same time the EPL has been ranked above Italy every year, won two european trophies. Had more european finalists, had more european semi finalist and more european quarter finalists.

In the last 5 years no English club but Chelsea has been relevant in European competitions.

But all that goes out the window for your opinion based on nothing really.

My opinion is based on the fact that better football is played in Italy than the UK.
 

JamDav1982

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My statement has never been to say EPL better than Italian over last 100 years but keep harping back to it as it is one of few things you can cling to.

Current = last five years for Uefa.

A few points...

1. There has been one Italian team in a european final in last five seasons not two. Inter won it in 2010. Uefa dont count that season as 'current' in relation to rankings.

2. If Chelsea have been the only relevant team in europe in last five years you clearly dont count Man Utd who got to final in 2011 which is what Juve did. So EPL teams have been more relevant in one winner and two finalists vs Italys one finalist.

So Italian teams play better football but have less relevant team,a worse ranking, less trophies, less finalist, semi finalists and quarter finalists?

Nothing at all suggests Italian teams are better currently I am afraid.
 

Jair Ventura

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My statement has never been to say EPL better than Italian over last 100 years but keep harping back to it as it is one of few things you can cling to.

Your statement was that English clubs have more or as many trophies as Italian clubs. They don't.

Current = last five years for Uefa.

5 years ago really isn't current, it's merely UEFA's chosen frame. Combining the current and previous seasons, the Italians have earned more pts in Europe.

1. There has been one Italian team in a european final in last five seasons not two. Inter won it in 2010. Uefa dont count that season as 'current' in relation to rankings.

Through 2010-2015, both Inter and Juve reached UEFA finals.

2. If Chelsea have been the only relevant team in europe in last five years you clearly dont count Man Utd who got to final in 2011 which is what Juve did. So EPL teams have been more relevant in one winner and two finalists vs Italys one finalist.

I'd forgotten United. Easy to do these days.

So Italian teams play better football but have less relevant team,a worse ranking, less trophies, less finalist, semi finalists and quarter finalists?

- Milan is more relevant than any English club.
- The Italians will soon pass the English in UEFA coefficients.
- The Italians have more trophies, so you can stop repeating misinformation.
- Less finalist, semi-finalist, and quarter finalist according to what? I doubt this is true given the Italians have won 9 more continental competitions than the English.

Nothing at all suggests Italian teams are better currently I am afraid.

Yes, their performances in Europe as seen as their 6pt advantage over the English at the end of last season. You keep screaming "current, not historic!", yet continue to gloss over the fact that the Italians were significantly better than the English in Europe over the last calendar year.
 

JamDav1982

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Read back and I have said from the start I am not interested in 100 years of history but recent times. I am not going to quote that every sentence ffs and clearly have been talking about recent seasons when saying they have won more.

2010 - 2015 is six seasons I am afraid. We can argue what current means but Uefa base it on five whole seasons.

You are just deflecting the argument back to history as you know you are on to a loser with the CURRENT debate.

History shows that Dutch league has more trophies than French. Relevance? Absoutlely none in relation to CURRENT standards.

The higher ranked leagues are not going to every single year without fail get more points. Italy got more than Germany as well and I think German has been far far stronger than English and Italian in European competition.

Lets keep it simple. What do you want this debate to be decided on by end of season?

Coefficient rankings? Or one off co efficient seasons?

You choose.
 

Darko

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bring him back!!!!

Would be an awful decision, he spends entire games walking around and doing 0 defensive work, Carragher is absolutely right calling him a joke.

City for me is the living prove that the most useless spending of money is on individual defenders.
Defense is purely about tactics. City could spend 100m on Diego Godin, and even he would look lost in that non-existing defensive order.
Every Centerback duo above the respective value of 10-15m EUR is capable of building the best defense in the world if the defensive set-up of the whole team looks right. Spending 40m on some defender because he looked like a rock for Team XYZ is the most brainless thing anyone can do in football.

Great post!

City is awful, aimlessly passing the ball around like 2013 Barca. It was an easy job for Arsenal today yet they still almost allowed City back in the game. They are going to need to improve in order to stand a chance against Barca.
 

Icarium

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Winning against a team twice in the group stages or in the league does not prove they are the better team and despite you trying to elevate the importance of those two games they still had no say on who won group.

Must be hard for Juve to finish behind such a pathetic club missing their four best players eh?

Ok if Serie A is better than EPL just now can you tell me how this can be judged by the end of this season? What is your criteria?

No, you are wrong. It is a champions league group not a full league to decide which team is better. Juve took some time to adjust to life without tevez and Vidal. It is just 6 games anything can happen. But if they again meet in CL juve would go through 90%. City doesn't stand a chance. If it is a league maybe city can win it but over 2 legs City won't stand a chance against last season Juve. And this year Juve also I believe city can not win. Coefficient is decided on their performances in Europe. So yes serie a has a chance but a small one as only juve is doing decent in europe. And one more thing you should remember is we are talking about the Champions league so you should concentrate more on who can come top over 2 legs.

Your first point doesn't make sense at all. City has more fiepower than Juve. So yeah they can win against small teams with higher chances. Juve actually has a chance against Bayern because of their style. Do you think city would even come close? How are you saying City are a better team based on just 6 games? Even I am not saying who is a better team. But juve has better chance against big teams than city and that is what matters in CL not how many goals you score against minnows. That is league stuff.
 

JamDav1982

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No, you are wrong. It is a champions league group not a full league to decide which team is better. Juve took some time to adjust to life without tevez and Vidal. It is just 6 games anything can happen. But if they again meet in CL juve would go through 90%. City doesn't stand a chance. If it is a league maybe city can win it but over 2 legs City won't stand a chance against last season Juve. And this year Juve also I believe city can not win. Coefficient is decided on their performances in Europe. So yes serie a has a chance but a small one as only juve is doing decent in europe. And one more thing you should remember is we are talking about the Champions league so you should concentrate more on who can come top over 2 legs.

Your first point doesn't make sense at all. City has more fiepower than Juve. So yeah they can win against small teams with higher chances. Juve actually has a chance against Bayern because of their style. Do you think city would even come close? How are you saying City are a better team based on just 6 games? Even I am not saying who is a better team. But juve has better chance against big teams than city and that is what matters in CL not how many goals you score against minnows. That is league stuff.

No chance would it be 90% Juve go through it would be a very close thing between them and City.

You have said yourself City have more 'fire power' to beat the minnows which they did without Aguero/Silva for most part their two best attacking players..

Juve are not a great side and I would definitely back a full strength City to beat them over two legs. That is based on the two games in the group where I thought there was nothing in the two games despite Juve getting the results they were not the better team really. That is with City missing their best players.

Juve have no chance vs Bayern they will get beat comfortably.
 

RaidersGunz

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Bantz when this happens:

Wenger at Arsenal
Jose at United
Guardiola at City
Simeone at Chelsea
Klopp at Liverpool

Best PL ever. Hope it happens.
 

Catta

Senior Member
Why would Cholo leave a team that he started rebuilding, a team that can compete for the biggest trophies, for a team in the relegation zone
 
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