Premier League 2017/18
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serghei
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What happens with the Premier League is that they have an outside element that is changing the game and breaking the myths. And that is Guardiola and his type of football. Other managers get accustomed to EPL, follow the same patterns and win at being better than the rest, while still remaining inside those parameters. Guardiola is making the rest adapt to him. And all they know how to do that atm is by parking the bus (I've also started to see some brutal challenges on City's players). I've never seen EPL games in which the home team with all their fans behind steps only 2 times in 45 mins outside their half.
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JamDav1982
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What myths do you think he is breaking?
serghei
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Several.
That possession football doesn't work in England because teams fight harder and are more physical/aggressive.
That the amount of games being played in England (including no winter break) would make it harder for a team to win Premier League like Barca/Real win La Liga.
That ball distribution and technical level for the keeper is not very important, because all he has to do is to stop shots.
That Barca/Madrid win many games in La Liga with big margins because of how poor most of the Spanish teams are, and that they wouldn't be able to do the same because the likes of Crystal Palace spend 30m. on some EPL player and are much better than Levante and such.
I could go on.
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JamDav1982
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No one really claims possession football doesnt work and plenty of teams have been trying to play that way for years.
Not sure how he has broken the 'myth' about number of games in England.
Again no one has been saying ball at feet of keeper is not important. It has been a major focus of keepers being brought in for years.
Guardiola was the most sought after manager in EPL probably ever. That would not be the case if clubs thought his approach wouldnt work.
The biggest myth is how about how English clubs see football more than anything.
You could go on and list more things that were not wideheld beliefs and the fact Pep was so after proves it.
Pep has adapted his approach as well.
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serghei
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I disagree with pretty much all.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Good.
But fact Guardiola was probably the most sought after manager ever in EPL by fans and clubs easily show those 'myths' were not in place.
Just more ignorance.
serghei
Senior Member
Don't start.
13 people out of over 600 who voted in a poll on redcafe think Guardiola is the best manager in the world. 1.8%. 8% think he's a total fraud. Most think he's good only because he worked with top teams. Fans opinions don't really fit your narative...
You have Graham Hunter, one of the best journalists in England saying Woodward didn't want Guardiola at United because he 'lacked PL experience', and signs Mourinho, a person with a lot of PL experience months after, which all adds up. You have quotes by media personalities saying Messi would struggle away at Stoke. Give me a fucking break. Hundreds of statements by media, fans, TV personalities and such, proclaiming EPL to be bigger than it is, and being more of a challenge to dominate than La Liga for example.
Now Guardiola came and exposed all of those myths with a much weaker team than peak Barca. Guess what, mighty entertaining Premier League has teams parking the bus every week against City. Only they park it against a bunch of young players like Sane, Sterling, Jesus, and not against some of the best players ever. It's not the league changing, it's Guardiola proving that the league ain't that tough to dominate, it's just the beliefs and tactics on display there that are obsolete.
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JamDav1982
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Man Utd never had a chance to get Guardiola so expect them to say never wanted him. Their fans before hand and fans of Chelsea, Arsenal etc were drooling over prospect of getting him.
United wanted him.
Never been a manager more sought after.
One media quote from years ago means nothing and he was ridiculed for it here and still is.
Guardiola methods were sought after more than any other manager.
He hasnt exposd those 'myths' as clubs wanted him.
Just ignorance again from you about how EPL teams see football.
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serghei
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You don't know what you're talking about. There where a lot of rumors saying Guardiola wanted or was open to signing for United, but then he had doubts that they wanted him, unlike City who really really moved for him big time. Woodward wanted Mourinho because he had more Premier League experience, being a serial winner there with Chelsea. United never really wanted Guardiola straight up. Try and add 2 + 2 together and you'll see it doesn't add to 5 like in your case. FFS you have United's transfers chief literally gloating after they got Mourinho saying how they got the best manager in the world.
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JamDav1982
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Know fine what I am talking about and Utd and their fans wanted Guardiola.
Better positioned journalists in England were claiming that long before he announced move to City.
Woodward didnt want Mourinho ahead of him. You dont have a clue.
Chelsea and their fans wanted him as well as did Arsenal fans.
Most sought after manager ever.
Total-Football
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good match west brom vs. arsenal 2_3.. so much wastfulness from both sides.. arsenal attack like a top 4 team but defend like, not a mid table, but a regulation fighting side. ridiculous. they have no idea what to do or where to stand when they dont have the ball.
JamDav1982
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Mou is an embarrassment to Man Utd.
Didnt even try to win that game. He was too scared to lose.
Didnt even try to win that game. He was too scared to lose.
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