Quique Setien

[BBZ8800]

People weren't saying Setien is going to be amazing. They were saying now that he's the manager let's give him a chance to see if he works. Now some time has passed people have realised maybe he's not the guy for the job either. Key word there; EITHER. Setien not being good enough does not make Valverde suddenly good enough. With Valverde we were heading for an 80 point season, hardly a league title, definitely another champions league humiliation and who knows with the copa del rey, he won one and lost one. With Setien we're probably heading for the same thing.

Tough concept to grasp. But let's make it even simpler.
Even if Setien is the worst coach ever, that doesn't mean EV was any good. He was done with this team.

Why do you pretend now that we haven't seen 1000s of posts like: ANYONE would be better than EV. This team will fly under ANY OTHER manager. ANY forum member would be better than EV.

Don't make me force to do it, I can easily find and post here posts from 100 DIFFERENT users with exactly the same phrases from the above.

So, no, it was not about: let's give a new coach a chance.
But about: EV was the worst coach in a history and guilty for all flaws.
Did you guys forget gems like:
Dembele is not dumb, it is EV's system.
Semedo is not braindead in attack, it is due to EV's system, he doesn't have any options.
Our team is not old, we are static due to EV's system.
Arthur is not afraid to pass forward, it is EV's system.
EV managed to ruin even Frenkie, who will fly under a new coach.
EV singlehandedly ruined La Masia. Under a new coach, who values our principles, these kids will play and fly, like in a good old times.
Our players don't run because of EV and his regimes (yet Messi, Busi and half of a team never run in their whole careers, more or less).
Not a single player in our team improved under EV, lol. (While we see a different story now, right?). What if these players can't improve, or 90% of them, since they are either old or horrible misfits?

Once again, his topic is named Retardo.
Is there a bigger insult on any other topic on a whole Barcaforum to any of our former players, coaches or presidents?
The only other insult in a topic name is Denise Suarez, iirc.

So, guys, sorry, but you are not honest if you think that about EV it was only about: let's give a new coach a chance.
A guy was insulted like the biggest enemy and a biggest cancer in the history of Barca.
Yet he overachieved with this shitty president and this horrible squad.
Imagine if his La Ligas will be our last trophies in a foreseeable future, which is quite likely in this team. Weird, isn't it?

I am not against Setien that much lately.
A poor guy can't do anything with this team, because NOBODY could.
This team would be the smae shit even under Pep himself. Because this team is dead and finished, and younger guys are either average or misfits.
But a few of us were repeating the same during EV, but no: different rules applied then.
We were just 2 steps away from a world class team: a new coach and 1-2 signings.

Lol.
We are more like 15 new signings and a several sacked coaches in a row away from a world class team in the future.

 

[KingLeo10]

I actually agree with [MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION] on his assessment of Setien. I thought he'd be better but he's making similar mistakes to what EV did.

Where I disagree with you BBZ, is that somehow this makes EV look good. EV had a younger Suarez and a Ballon D'or winner Messi. Along with a slightly younger core. You can't simply discount that and saying that EV was the reason behind these players' level is fallacious considering these players have proven themselves even more under other managers.

My opinion is that both EV and Setien are not the men to lead the next chapter of Barcelona.

 

[Devils]

To be fair any manager would struggle to score without a center forward and wingers. It didn't help that Griezmann bottled his chances and Messi had the worst Clasico of his career.

Bottom line is our squad is thin, and our forward line is non existing. We have the ball but have nothing to do with it, we can't play to the wings, we can't pick out runs through the middle, all we have is griezmann who isn't a striker giving one-two's and the ocassional run from the midfielders. It's a spear with no tip.

But he had the option to have some width by playing Fati/Braithwaite on the wings but he opted not to.

Vidal/Messi/Griezmann is nothing more than Cesc/Messi/Sanchez Version 2.0 only even worse given that Messi is a lot older.

We've been at this for over 14 years now. Messi functions best with a ST and a LW in the front line. Playing Vidal and Griezmann is a million miles away from that.

 

[Devils]

Also there is nothing more tragic than the way we play out of the back.

Watching MAtS receive the ball then walk around with the ball at his feed for 60 seconds which allows the Real Madrid players to push up get into a positional pressing shape is probably the most sickening things I've seen.

MAtS., the entire defensive line and midfield are nowhere near good enough to play with that level of arrogance.

You'd think these morons would had a reality check after Roma and Ainfield, but that isn't the case, dawg.

 

[Rory]

Why do you pretend now that we haven't seen 1000s of posts like: ANYONE would be better than EV. This team will fly under ANY OTHER manager. ANY forum member would be better than EV.

Don't make me force to do it, I can easily find and post here posts from 100 DIFFERENT users with exactly the same phrases from the above.

So, no, it was not about: let's give a new coach a chance.
But about: EV was the worst coach in a history and guilty for all flaws.
Did you guys forget gems like:
Dembele is not dumb, it is EV's system.
Semedo is not braindead in attack, it is due to EV's system, he doesn't have any options.
Our team is not old, we are static due to EV's system.
Arthur is not afraid to pass forward, it is EV's system.
EV managed to ruin even Frenkie, who will fly under a new coach.
EV singlehandedly ruined La Masia. Under a new coach, who values our principles, these kids will play and fly, like in a good old times.
Our players don't run because of EV and his regimes (yet Messi, Busi and half of a team never run in their whole careers, more or less).
Not a single player in our team improved under EV, lol. (While we see a different story now, right?). What if these players can't improve, or 90% of them, since they are either old or horrible misfits?

Once again, his topic is named Retardo.
Is there a bigger insult on any other topic on a whole Barcaforum to any of our former players, coaches or presidents?
The only other insult in a topic name is Denise Suarez, iirc.

So, guys, sorry, but you are not honest if you think that about EV it was only about: let's give a new coach a chance.
A guy was insulted like the biggest enemy and a biggest cancer in the history of Barca.
Yet he overachieved with this shitty president and this horrible squad.
Imagine if his La Ligas will be our last trophies in a foreseeable future, which is quite likely in this team. Weird, isn't it?

I am not against Setien that much lately.
A poor guy can't do anything with this team, because NOBODY could.
This team would be the smae shit even under Pep himself. Because this team is dead and finished, and younger guys are either average or misfits.
But a few of us were repeating the same during EV, but no: different rules applied then.
We were just 2 steps away from a world class team: a new coach and 1-2 signings.

Lol.
We are more like 15 new signings and a several sacked coaches in a row away from a world class team in the future.

Some people did say those things, they were obviously the more extreme voices. If you choose to only focus on those posts then that's up to you. Also the things you're listing are still true of EV but they are now also true of Setien as well. I can't believe you can't understand that, bizarre.

Dembele has been injured the whole time, most people had given up on him with a few posters saying he's actually good etc etc, again your choice to only focus on them. Semedo has been ok going forward under Setien, he's improved slightly since EV's departure. Our team is old and they were static under EV's system; both of these things can be true at the same time. Frenkie is not been used properly by Setien nor was he used properly by EV.

I really don't care if other people said anyone is better than
EV, I'm able to understand the nuance that maybe passions are getting the better of people, it's a forum where exaggeration happens quite often. The fact you pay such attention to things you consider to be beneath your level and don't engage with balanced discussion just says what you're all about; you like to be a big fish in a small pond.

 

[Neeraj]

This thread

Clowns doesn't even begin to describe it.

 

[serghei]

Let's be honest we all miss Valverde right now

. Yes, because what we need right now is someone who thinks fitness is not important.

 

[DonAK]

Didn't Barca play an awful game at Camp Nou in the Clasico with Ernie as our manager?

 

[Messigician]

Regardless, we never doubted our domestic dominance under EV. I am worried without him we will let Real madrid win another league title when we are slowly catching up to them

 

[Marshall D Teach]

We're going to get destroyed in the CL, aren't we. Imagine this team at Anfield again

So, on course for 80 points and a CL humiliation, just like under EV.

Just proves that anyone can get EV's results.

 

[Devils]

-Valverde should have been sacked at the end of last season after Liverpool and Valencia - This is really not debatable
-Setien shouldn't have been appointed mid-season and probably wouldn't have been appointed at all if the decision to change the manager was made in the summer
-Xavi wouldn't have been the answer either, especially with his friends still running the locker room. The most evident sign of that was one of his recent interview where he was asked about FDJ in the DM position and his response was "For me, Busquets is indisputable for that position"

Neither Valverde, Setien or Xavi are showing to be the right choices.

Then you have to consider that Abidal is a total joke of a Sporting Director and Barto is sinking like the Titanic with all the scandals coming out. And additionally the injury crisis that has been ongoing the entire season.

While I think we would have been better off with a manager like Poch or Allegri at the helm, I think they too would have been doomed with all the disasters ongoing at the club.

This whole club is a total mess at the moment.

 

[DonAK]

No one can save this team. This team need a total rebuild similar to the 2003-2004 years.

We've not hit rock bottom yet.

 

[Marshall D Teach]

We might have someone better than Setien right now had we fired Valverde after Anfield.

 

[FCBfan22]

Well, still won't draw the line under his performance until the end of the season.

But yesterday has shown, why we have no chance in CL this year.

Legue is still open, however we need RM to drop some points.

 

[Gaudi]

I understand some are not blessed with speed (though I find it funny how Busi and Rakitic run, they don't even rise their knees), but we knew that. Yes, Busi and Rakitić can't play together.
Pique is fast enough just awful accelaration and that's important unfortunately.
Umtiti lost some speed but it's still ok for CB, problem is the way we play, without cohesion while defending, when you add Rakitić and Busi and high defensive line then you have nightmare...Barca needs fast CB's.

Rest are actually ok or fine...Arthur, FDJ, ALba and Semedo is basically our midfield when attacking, Griez is ok, Messi was never that fast but great accelaration (of course age is happening here, nothing we can do, but still ok when on form), Suarez the same, Dembele is fast, Fati is fast...so when you look from that perspective it's not all dark and gloomy, but, there is a BUT - what I already wrote, STAMINA, that's simply unbelievable, this is like watching 2nd Croatian league. It's been now almost 24 hours and I still can not comprehend this aspect, like I'm in a phase of denial stil.
Do they even train? Who is their fitness trainer? Are EV and now QS blind?