Quique Setien

[UEFA_Barça_Chris]

Imagine being Messi, earning 100 million a year, global superstar, GOAT status in the game. Then a nobody bum Betis level assistant coach comes and barks orders at you with passive aggressive clown gestures like that. LMAO

If it wasn't for the 100 million a year he is making, Messi would retire at the end of the season for sure. Playing with Vidal and Griezmann upfront while getting orders from a bum. Must be so exciting.

Wow the fanboyism is strong with this one.

 

[henias]

It's true Setien brought intensity and possession back, a philosophy long lost. I have backed this guy in light of ev's depature but man, this guy has shown nothing substantial, except for talking. First it was the 352, then a 442, i mean we bought a striker for a reason but him insisting on putting griez and messi together all the time when it doesnt work. Messi creating for a backtracking griez and 4 midfielders and depending on them to score is disaster. Fati and Braithewaite should be playing and even when he brought them on they are not even playing the right positions. People caling out on self entitled players but he is pandering to star players as well, constantly putting them in the starting lineup, even it made no tactical sense. Like Busquets and De Jong, Meesi and Griezmann. Tactically this is a disaster and no surprise we lost.

 

[Raketa10]

The dressing room needs to FUCK OFF and shut the FUCK UP and do their job and play some football rather than dick around ...

As I said before, this team is done. There is no manager in the world who can coach those bastards anymore. A complete overhaul is needed ASAP! This is also the reason no self respecting manager is going to take over the team. Luckily Xavi was also smart enough to refuse the offer. These players would have eaten him alive!

Just sell everyone and if Messi refuses to accept the new concept (that we need a complete overhaul) sell him too! No one should be above the club! It's clear now why Valverde was supported by our squad. He just didn't force them to anything, he is a nice guy so they were doing whatever the hell they wanted. Fitness level of this team is a clear proof of that.

FFS Messi needs to realize he is still an active player and his desire to win needs to be above his friends and his ego! He is being paid as a GOAT and he has to act like one! He as a captain should do some things Sarabia is doing so maybe than there would be no need for constant yelling from the bench. God I miss Puyol these days...

 

[El Guaje]

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Exactly what we need. A guy showing emotions and passion, and not some squatting emotionless fag.

But yeah, we need a HUGE overhaul.

Tell Rakitic, Alba, Busquets and especially Suarez to fu** off.
Sell Coutinho and maybe Dembele as well.

We need a new top quality CB, 2 new midfielders, a 9 and a winger.
Enough with buying players not fitting their roles here.

Bad thing is an overhaul this big will take 2-3 years. Bad times are upon us.

 

[Raketa10]

Exactly what we need. A guy showing emotions and passion, and not some squatting emotionless fag.

But yeah, we need a HUGE overhaul.

Tell Rakitic, Alba, Busquets and especially Suarez to fu** off.
Sell Coutinho and maybe Dembele as well.

We need a new top quality CB, 2 new midfielders, a 9 and a winger.
Enough with buying players not fitting their roles here.

Bad thing is an overhaul this big will take 2-3 years. Bad times are upon us.

And above all that Messi also needs to change his attitude. Enough is enough, this bitching and veining has to stop! On the other hand many of us knew that Setien has no charisma to coach this team. This team needs a strong personality and not some third tier coach who has no respect among our players. This is the reason I supported Koeman regardless of the fact he is far from perfect. To be fair he is probably perfect as a short term solution (2 years max). If we don't make a complete overhaul next summer I would go for him and than in 2 years time Xavi can take over. There is no way in hell players would act like this under Koeman.

 

[The Observer]

he does have a point. you can't really put a nobody in charge of superstars who have won it all and been in situations where setien or his rat-faced assistant have never been and never will be.

You can be a nobody but then you have to gain the respect of people who are 100 levels above you on the socio-economic ladder or be a likeable character.

This assistant dude looks irritating af.

If I belong to the 1 % of the best at what I do I'll be irritated by someone like that.

Managing dressing room egos is an ability, whether people like it or not.

 

[Raketa10]

You can be a nobody but then you have to gain the respect of people who are 100 levels above you on the socio-economic ladder or be a likeable character.

This assistant dude looks irritating af.

If I belong to the 1 % of the best at what I do I'll be irritated by someone like that.

Managing dressing room egos is an ability, whether people like it or not.

I agree but let's be fair here these players just don't give a fuck. How can you gain their respect when they don't care if they win or loose? This players won everything and as long as they don't need to work too hard they are probably OK with being second in La Liga or going out in CL quarterfinals. That's the reason all older players need to go. And as I said before, Messi needs to sort out his priorities.

 

[malvolio]

You can be a nobody but then you have to gain the respect of people who are 100 levels above you on the socio-economic ladder or be a likeable character.

This assistant dude looks irritating af.

If I belong to the 1 % of the best at what I do I'll be irritated by someone like that.

Managing dressing room egos is an ability, whether people like it or not.

Sure it can sometimes happen. But I've never seen a nobody take over Real or Barça and be charismatic or well liked by the players. I guess you have to either be a genius with some super inovative methods or a proven winner(as footballer or manager).

 

[El Guaje]

And above all that Messi also needs to change his attitude. Enough is enough, this bitching and veining has to stop! On the other hand many of us knew that Setien has no charisma to coach this team. This team needs a strong personality and not some third tier coach who has no respect among our players. This is the reason I supported Koeman regardless of the fact he is far from perfect. To be fair he is probably perfect as a short term solution (2 years max). if we don't make a complete overhaul next summer I would go for him and than in 2 years time Xavi can take over. There is no way in hell players would act like this under Koeman.

A coach who demands respect, takes no shit and would light the players asses on fire, someone like Koeman or Bielsa would be awesome yeah but we are fu**** no matter what. We have too many old and past it players.

Also though i barely ever agree with BBZ, i agree with him that we are stuck in 10 years back. We dont have the players to play ultra super duper mega tiki taka possession style any more. Football has evolved, but we are stuck on the same square so we keep bringing coaches with "barca DNA". Players too. They have this "barca DNA", then we bring them here in order to play them out of position in roles that they dont fit, we make them shit and both the club and the players suffer from it.

Players like Dembele, Griezmann, Coutinho, hell even Messi (and most probably the players we will buy this summer) would thrive in a much more fast and direct oriented football and in a team that actually move around and create space. Instead they play in slowmotion, everyone is static, nobody moves etc etc. The old core of this team simply must be told to piss off. We arent getting anywhere until then.

 

[henias]

Well, they play in slowmotion partly because we lack pace. Messi is 33 so we can't expect much. Griezmann doesnt provide much pace and literally Setien plays with 4 midfielders. Honestly, even if they run their asses off, how are they gonna be fast paced? Setien himself didnt opt for Braithwaite or an early sub when we had trouble getting into their boxes. His tactics revolves around sterile possession and doesnt value those who can provide threat in the box. This manager doesnt bother rotating core players, especially resting Messi and Busquets. This guy plays Messi a full 90 before a CL knockout round, and he expects the same intensity the next match? This guy pulls another Valverde so why are we always expecting players to perform? He should be phasing out Busquets by now like how we did with Xavi, especially we have De Jong right now.

I would want a new competent manager, not just a shakeup to the squad. There's no need to completely sell old players, they can be bench options. But imagine keeping Setien, this guy would be licking Buquests ass all day and we never see the light of day.

 

[behindbrowneyes]

Here is an article about Dembélé, where training in Barcelona gets heavily criticized. It mentions that Dembélé should train like a sprinter, because that's 90% what he does in a game. The clinic in Doha has the GPS data of Dembélé's games and training sessions and say that sprinting is only part in 20% of his/the training sessions. The rest is low intensity. Athletic parameters are not taken into account when it comes to training. Training doesn't really prepare the players for the needs in a game. Simply: It doesn't match the players needs to be successful or healthy (Dembélé). I'm not an expert with training etc., but if you ask me, there might me some truth to it when you see how our players get dominated once the game gets more physical.

The writer also states that Barcelona trains at the rhythm of the old guard like Piqué, Busquets and Messi.

According to club sources, Frenkie De Jong has taken a personal trainer a few weeks after his arrival when he realized that the workload in training did not correspond to his experience at Ajax. It also indicates that in a meeting this fall between the medical staff and Dembélé, some managers recognized the responsibility of the Catalan club in the French injury chain.
https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/ba...-ser-responsable-las-lesiones-dembele-7873011

It is true that there are some older players in the squad who don't have the legs anymore. This doesn't change the fact that training seems to be too lightly for physical demands in today's football. Football became way more physical in last 10 years if you ask me.
However, Valverde stated that he doesn't care much about physical preparation. There were many reports that training sessions were lacking intensity when Setién became coach of the team. Problem is, you can't fix shortcomings in physical preparation during season. You do this basic stuff in pre-season. It explains why this team got fucked by Roma, Liverpool and Valencia. Those are not better teams. They are just fitter and whenever this team faces such a team it will be outmuscled and this hasn't necessarily to do with having small players but with bad physical preparation. This squad will never be the fittest in world football because of obvious reasons, but it could do much better with proper training.

 

[serghei]

Here is an article about Dembélé, where training in Barcelona gets heavily criticized. It mentions that Dembélé should train like a sprinter, because that's 90% what he does in a game. The clinic in Doha has the GPS data of Dembélé's games and training sessions and say that sprinting is only part in 20% of his/the training sessions. The rest is low intensity. Athletic parameters are not taken into account when it comes to training. Training doesn't really prepare the players for the needs in a game. Simply: It doesn't match the players needs to be successful or healthy (Dembélé). I'm not an expert with training etc., but if you ask me, there might me some truth to it when you see how our players get dominated once the game gets more physical.

The writer also states that Barcelona trains at the rhythm of the old guard like Piqué, Busquets and Messi.

According to club sources, Frenkie De Jong has taken a personal trainer a few weeks after his arrival when he realized that the workload in training did not correspond to his experience at Ajax. It also indicates that in a meeting this fall between the medical staff and Dembélé, some managers recognized the responsibility of the Catalan club in the French injury chain.
https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/ba...-ser-responsable-las-lesiones-dembele-7873011

It is true that there are some older players in the squad who don't have the legs anymore. This doesn't change the fact that training seems to be too lightly for physical demands in today's football. Football became way more physical in last 10 years if you ask me.
However, Valverde stated that he doesn't care much about physical preparation. There were many reports that training sessions were lacking intensity when Setién became coach of the team. Problem is, you can't fix shortcomings in physical preparation during season. You do this basic stuff in pre-season. It explains why this team got fucked by Roma, Liverpool and Valencia. Those are not better teams. They are just fitter and whenever this team faces such a team it will be outmuscled and this hasn't necessarily to do with having small players but with bad physical preparation. This squad will never be the fittest in world football because of obvious reasons, but it could do much better with proper training.

Top quality post.

 

[henias]

So fitness is the biggest issue right now when Setien plays 33 year old Messi without rest and Busquets almost every match, and expect pace and the same intensity? How is Setien then doing so much worse than Valverde who literally has no physical preparation at all and the team struggling to score? The answer is definitively clear we are playing without a proper striker and the midfield does not work properly with De Jong in this lopsided setup.

I swear people like the forum de amigos pushing this agenda every now and then because it's the easy way out. Yeah probably fitness is an issue but we have seen worse during Valverde's time. I now see bigger problems than just fitness right now. Setien is in every way and painfully out of depth and how are you gonna keep blaming the seniors when he is pandering to them by constantly shoving them in the starting lineup as if they were as young as a decade ago? I dont see a consistent effort in trying to phase out players like Busquets.

But you know, hurr durr "fck the seniors lets sell them all" and that magically solves everything. Or "more intense fitness and start every match for these ageing players as well." That sure helps.

 

[serghei]

So fitness is the biggest issue right now when Setien plays 33 year old Messi without rest and Busquets almost every match, and expect pace and the same intensity? How is Setien then doing so much worse than Valverde who literally has no physical preparation at all and the team struggling to score? The answer is definitively clear we are playing without a proper striker and the midfield does not work properly with De Jong in this lopsided setup.

I swear people like the forum de amigos pushing this agenda every now and then because it's the easy way out. Yeah probably fitness is an issue but we have seen worse during Valverde's time. I now see bigger problems than just fitness right now. Setien is in every way and painfully out of depth and how are you gonna keep blaming the seniors when he is pandering to them by constantly shoving them in the starting lineup as if they were as young as a decade ago? I dont see a consistent effort in trying to phase out players like Busquets.

But you know, hurr durr "fck the seniors lets sell them all" and that magically solves everything. Or "more intense fitness and start every match for these ageing players as well." That sure helps.

You think we have the luxury of resting players right now? Wake up and smell the coffee... The squad is short, and we have many injuries. So this pretty much means no rotations are possible.

Lol, the 'Amigos' as you say have been mentioning these things for years. The other dudes are doing what exactly? Blaming the new managers who showed some balls for a change on the sideline? Instead of pretending everything is rosey?

 

[BBZ8800]

You do this basic stuff in pre-season. It explains why this team got fucked by Roma, Liverpool and Valencia. Those are not better teams. They are just fitter and whenever this team faces such a team it will be outmuscled and this hasn't necessarily to do with having small players but with bad physical preparation. This squad will never be the fittest in world football because of obvious reasons, but it could do much better with proper training.

Sorry, but this post sounds as if we were physically an ok team in the past and that then EV has ruined it.

I mean, since Cruijff introduced his model, we always relied on technique, IQ and rondos.
Cruijff himself was eaten alive in a final of 94 vs Milan (0:4).
Where we had grown men from Italy versus our guys who can play only rondos.

Also, only 3-4 Months before EV, we managed to play 0:4, 6:1 vs Psg and 0:3, 0:0 vs Juve.
We lost and got outrun as always with 0:4 and 0:3 vs Psg and Juve away.
I mean, we got bullied by Rabiot in midfield in Paris.
A year earlier it was 0:2 vs Atletico.
And in the first leg, we couldn't break them until they got a red card in the 2nd half.
So, for 4 years in a row:
1. We are losing almost all key CL KO matches (away)
2. And we can't score against anyone in Europe (Am 2:0, Psg 4:0, Juve 3:0, Roma 3:0, Liverpool 4:0).

So, my point is: maybe EV dropped a level of our regimes even more.
But those regimes were never too high since 1990.

Cruijff built a club around those ideas.
Majority of fans still believe that those ideas work (rondos and technique over physique).
While a modern football is more: run, run, run. Fight, fight, fight. And you need both technique, physique and a fighting mentality.

Yet our best midfield product is a teen girl Riqua Puig.
Says it all.