Quique Setien

[DonAndres]

Agreed. Two back to back empty seasons with no titles will at least get us rid of this vision-less and incompetent board.



Their best doesn't cut it anymore in terms of speed, athleticism, stamina etc. Maybe they will have 1 more season with a La Liga win, but I doubt it. There's a conversation to be had if it's not maybe better for this board to not win a single title before elections time. To be sure they are out.

I'm on that boat. It only exists in football this idea that a team's fans should want to force themselves to win every title every season at the expense of good long term decision making. In American sports, blowing it up and becoming a tanking team is often welcomed by fans as they know a very healthy rebuild is better for a chance at winning in the future.

Obviously, it isn't the same as football doesn't have draft/salary cap type system. But as a Barca fan I'd much rather have this board "blow it up" with their failures leading to a complete regime and culture change, roster upheaval, and totally new direction and vision.

Even at the expense of what many consider to be Messi's last good years. Us crawling to 1 or maybe even 2 Liga titles and possibly a CDR just to keep this shitty board re-elected and perpetuate the myth that our aging core can still cut it, would end up destroying us badly in the long term when Messi retires and we actually do have to rebuild under horrible leadership with Bartomeu for another 6 years.

It's much better to watch the board sink themselves and then undergo a drastic rebuild under new leadership, so that we may climb back to the top and actually be able to stay there for the long term future.

And a team's fortunes can change fairly quickly if it is done right (like Liverpool have shown). If the team is revived, strong, with a great coach and a great new roster then Barca will enter the 21/22 season with a great chance of challenging in Europe. Messi at 34 or 35 won't magically turn into a complete bum, he'll still most likely be amongst the top 20 best players in the world at the very worst. And with a much better team and coaching staff around him, he could even reap the benefits of winning a CL or two in the twilight of his career even if he isn't the most dominant individual player in the world or even on the team.

 

[DonAK]

Bartomeu cannot stand for re-election, nor will anyone from this board stand in the elections.

They might however with the support of Sandro Rosell endorse someone else.

 

[serghei]

Bartomeu cannot stand for re-election, nor will anyone from this board stand in the elections.

They might however with the support of Sandro Rosell endorse someone else.

Bartomeu alone is not the problem. The mentality of this board is the problem. Purely economic driven view, signing superstars without knowing if they fit, overpaying for players, not ensuring the proper conditions to develop players, extending contracts of older players often with salary increases as their performances get weaker. And so on.

 

[DonAK]

Bartomeu alone is not the problem. The mentality of this board is the problem. Purely economic driven view, signing superstars without knowing if they fit, overpaying for players, not ensuring the proper conditions to develop players, extending contracts of older players often with salary increases as their performances get weaker. And so on.

Most of the board are basketball men, not football men.

Makes sense why they're so clueless.

 

[serghei]

Most of the board are basketball men, not football men.

Makes sense why they're so clueless.

Isn't the basketball team doing poor as well?

 

[DonAK]

Isn't the basketball team doing poor as well?

Not sure. Guess they just suck.

Bartomeu himself is a basketball man. He played basketball for Espanyol's youth teams.

 

[BBZ8800]

Isn't the basketball team doing poor as well?

Basketball team is led by football coaches, though.

 

[FC433]

Stay away from van de Beek - hes average (and would still cost 50ME).

I personally prefer Ruiz (for a reasonable price) and Soumare.

Both can't challenge the seniors.

My nomination before and now is either Gallardo or Poch both learned under Marcelo Bielsa. Gallardo has a Simeone-like strong personality. We need an intolerant coach with a four-foot hickory club in his hand to straighten those motherfaker entitled players.

I do not really know much about his personality, but I enjoyed watching Ajax (5-7 games). We need to keep trying until we get what we need. I thought QS was what we needed, but he disappointed me. Not good enough and he should not get another season.

I agree with your suggestions; however, Erik ten Hag would be my first option. He is the safest option. Does not say much, but check this one out:

"Everyone has to contribute [under Guardiola]. The team comes first and not the individual. Even Messi was more of a team player under Guardiola. He has never been as brilliant again as he was under Pep."

"Now, Messi is above the team ? and everyone has to work for him. And we see that Barca have not won as much in recent years as they did under Guardiola."

Very interesting. He addressed an obvious issue directly. Both EV and QS said interesting stuff about our style or giving opportunities to our talents, but they were never this specific.
Source: https://twitter.com/cityreport_/status/1259435189132034048

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

I personally prefer Ruiz (for a reasonable price) and Soumare.


I do not really know much about his personality, but I enjoyed watching Ajax (5-7 games). We need to keep trying until we get what we need. I thought QS was what we needed, but he disappointed me. Not good enough and he should not get another season.

I agree with your suggestions; however, Erik ten Hag would be my first option. He is the safest option. Does not say much, but check this one out:

"Everyone has to contribute [under Guardiola]. The team comes first and not the individual. Even Messi was more of a team player under Guardiola. He has never been as brilliant again as he was under Pep."

"Now, Messi is above the team ? and everyone has to work for him. And we see that Barca have not won as much in recent years as they did under Guardiola."

Very interesting. He addressed an obvious issue directly. Both EV and QS said interesting stuff about our style or giving opportunities to our talents, but they were never this specific.
Source: https://twitter.com/cityreport_/status/1259435189132034048

Of course the quality of the team is lower too, but he is right about Messi. It's team Messi.

 

[FC433]

Excuse my rushed illustration, but here is what I think is one of our major issues (first is us, second is either city or LFC):


* the arrow is ball creation before the final hit, that is just an estimate.

Everyone is looking for Messi to create or hit.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Excuse my rushed illustration, but here is what I think is one of our major issues (first is us, second is either city or LFC):


* the arrow is ball creation before the final hit, that is just an estimate.

Everyone is looking for Messi to create or hit.

Yeah it's pretty obvious problem. FC Messi. Good picture!

 

[Barcilliant]

😃 People were fawning over Setien when he bought Betis to Camp Nou and beat us!! 😃 "
Now they want his head. Setien was never that great in the first place.
The rot has set in deep and Shitverde was the one who enabled it. He gave free reign to the seniors and made them untouchable. He didn't develop any young players and signings. He had no vision, no leadership and was happy to collect a big pay check. He just wanted to do damage control and hold onto his job for as long as possible. He also did a great job of making us the laughing stock of Europe.
A spineless board hires spineless managers? You don't say. Every top manager in Europe knows the situation at Barca. Even Xavi knows that the dressing room atmosphere is toxic right now.
If we can bring the elections forward one season we can rebuild. The rebuild will take time. I mean 2-3 "seasons at least. Also Font if elected should get his head out of his ass. Xavi is NOT the man for the job. Too many fans here are stuck in the past.
We need a coach who's strong willed and has a degree of pragmatism. Not some idealist who thinks he can impose a cookie cutter version of tiki taka.

 

[Barcilliant]

Bielsa, Nuno Santo, Gallardo are some of the names we should look at. Bielsa would be great. If nothing else he'll rattle a few cages.

 

[khaled_a_d]

It is 2020 and some people still think Bielsa is a good candidate for us

 

[FC433]

Of course the quality of the team is lower too, but he is right about Messi. It's team Messi.

I agree. Another issue/ obstacle is that we cannot break down the modern defence setup. I do not really know who came up with this style, but Simeone was the first one that I saw using it. The old defence setup was about either chasing the ball or marking players, which was quite easy to exploit by quick passes/players' movements. However, now, managers assign a piece of the field to each player to defend regardless of where the ball is. One way to overcome this setup is by crossing the ball (all types high low from different angles). We, unfortunately, only use one type from only one angle (Alba to Messi). Zidane was successful with his approach by instructing his fullbacks to cross the ball to the point where RMFC barely struggled against AM in the CL. LFC doing the same, it is quite effective.