Quique Setien

[FinBarcelonafan]

I agree. Another issue/ obstacle is that we cannot break down the modern defence setup. I do not really know who came up with this style, but Simeone was the first one that I saw using it. The old defence setup was about either chasing the ball or marking players, which was quite easy to exploit by quick passes/players' movements. However, now, managers assign a piece of the field to each player to defend regardless of where the ball is. One way to overcome this setup is by crossing the ball (all types high low from different angles). We, unfortunately, only use one type from only one angle (Alba to Messi). Zidane was successful with his approach by instructing his fullbacks to cross the ball to the point where RMFC barely struggled against AM in the CL. LFC doing the same, it is quite effective.

Thanks for sharing this. Very interesting read!

 

[Barcilliant]

With little adjustments being made and this squad getting even older I think Real Madrid will be betting favorites for the La Liga title next season too.

So much need to change, but with no money and a lack of vision nothing will happen.

Need midfielders who are more athletic and can play the ball quicker. Need a more athletic CB alongside Pique or in place of him. Need actual quick wingers and a new CF because even if Suarez scores goals again now he fucks up the rest of the play most of the time.

Again though, no money, a lot of bad signings or signings without a plan so you reap what you sow.

Bingo. There's no money and there are alot of players who need to be replaced.
At the very least we need one winger, one striker, one midfielder, one left back and one cb. That's FIVE players. Even if we spend an average of 50 million per player that's 250 million in one shot. We need to get rid of Coutinho and Griezmann for sure. If we can sell Coutinho for 60 million and Griezmann for eighty that would be a start.

We're doomed next season

 

[Horatio]

We need to call back Rafinha.

 

[Messigician]

I was called crazy for saying Rafinha was the closest thing to an insista replacement.

Rafinha without injuries woukd be our best midfielder

 

[Kul_z]

I agree. Another issue/ obstacle is that we cannot break down the modern defence setup. I do not really know who came up with this style, but Simeone was the first one that I saw using it. The old defence setup was about either chasing the ball or marking players, which was quite easy to exploit by quick passes/players' movements. However, now, managers assign a piece of the field to each player to defend regardless of where the ball is. One way to overcome this setup is by crossing the ball (all types high low from different angles). We, unfortunately, only use one type from only one angle (Alba to Messi). Zidane was successful with his approach by instructing his fullbacks to cross the ball to the point where RMFC barely struggled against AM in the CL. LFC doing the same, it is quite effective.

Exactly, thats what i mentioned in cl thread when atletico played liverpool at home. They are not chasing players, they hold their position and have that handball team mobility to close space when other team tries to penetrate through defense.

Yesterday was a example of how narrow we play and oh my, we are going to have bad time playing atleti.

I just cant stand it when fati gets the ball in counterattacking position and he stops, either not fast enough to go blasting through wing or doesnt have the courage to do so.

There were numerous times yesterday when i was thinking how neymar would exploit that like its nothing. Unfortunately, we miss neymar big time, or dembele.

Alba is neither in attack and neither in defense, hes lost completely.

Semedo finally has some understanding with messi, but he needs to start shooting more often.

Rakitic was gassed but ok, puig is more then ok, arthur didnt delivered nothing positive, vidal was also nowhere to be seen in positive way.

Messi needs his shooting boots back and be more cautious when getting the ball in tight areas, they are closing on him fast.

Suarez did his part this game, but was shit.

Griez with that ballerina frekick move could save us victory, but cant really blame that on him

All in all, setien benched griezmann for fati which is cool

 

[serghei]

The board have fucked up immensely. They hired Valverde, who is a veteran lover and someone who kept the status quo rather well, getting some good results in the process. But they splashed money on players need developing.

While we had Valverde who was doing everything to apease the veterans, money should have been saved and kept for the reconstruction stage. Everything Valverde did was to play the old core from Lucho days. We should have used Valverde to get the last bit of the old core, which he actually did to good success at least domestically (CL is another dicussion). Then after he is done, bring someone who can build a new side, and THEN splash money on players, because then you have a manager who wants that role and is ready to make the decisions that support such a vision.

 

[Respekt_III]

For someone that's supposedly a master chess he sure does seem to be making some absolutely retarded decisions, it's either that or suarez decided he felt some bull eggs for lunch one of those days.

 

[evilhita666]

It's interesting how players are subtly pointing at him, while the problems remain the same from Valverde era, hmmmm...

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

It's interesting how players are subtly pointing at him, while the problems remain the same from Valverde era, hmmmm...

So true. The players can never find fault in themselves, which is obvious at this point.

 

[Messigician]

The board have fucked up immensely. They hired Valverde, who is a veteran lover and someone who kept the status quo rather well, getting some good results in the process. But they splashed money on players need developing.

While we had Valverde who was doing everything to apease the veterans, money should have been saved and kept for the reconstruction stage. Everything Valverde did was to play the old core from Lucho days. We should have used Valverde to get the last bit of the old core, which he actually did to good success at least domestically (CL is another dicussion). Then after he is done, bring someone who can build a new side, and THEN splash money on players, because then you have a manager who wants that role and is ready to make the decisions that support such a vision.

This

 

[vegitot]

Bar?a have not ruled out replacing Quique Seti?n with Bar?a B manager Garc?a Pimienta from the Champions League stretch of this season onwards. [espn]

Pimienta as replacement???

 

[Vilarrubi]

Bar?a have not ruled out replacing Quique Seti?n with Bar?a B manager Garc?a Pimienta from the Champions League stretch of this season onwards. [espn]

Pimienta as replacement???

Wouldn’t be against the idea if we don’t win La Liga.

 

[BBZ8800]

Bartomeu alone is not the problem. The mentality of this board is the problem. Purely economic driven view, signing superstars without knowing if they fit, overpaying for players, not ensuring the proper conditions to develop players, extending contracts of older players often with salary increases as their performances get weaker. And so on.

It sounds as if you weren't a fan of Barca in the past.

Barca was always a chaotic club with changing directions each season.

Except when we struck gold with Messi and Xavi.

This is a classical Barca.
No offense, but Rm, Bayern, Juve always had a better structure and planning.

 

[Devils]

Barca have not ruled out replacing Setien with Barca B manager, Garcia Pimienta, in the UCL. [ESPN]

#PimientaParty, we have arrived.

 

[KingLeo10]

It sounds as if you weren't a fan of Barca in the past.

Barca was always a chaotic club with changing directions each season.

Except when we struck gold with Messi and Xavi.

This is a classical Barca.
No offense, but Rm, Bayern, Juve always had a better structure and planning.

Actually, all clubs have successful/non-chaotic periods when they strike gold with top talent and there happens to also be good management in place at the same time. It's a symbiotic relationship between talent and coaching.

RM:

Dominant in 1950s under Di Stefano and Puskas -> went 32 years without winning a CL until the Raul/Casillas/Galactico era, won 3 CL in 5 years here -> went 12 years without a CL until the CR7/Modric/Ramos/Marcelo era

Bayern

Dominant in 1970s under Beckenbauer and Muller -> went ~27 years without a CL until Kahn and co. -> went another 12 years without a CL until Robbery/Bastian/Neuer etc.

Juve

Never really dominated Europe in long stretches; only had success under Platini and Del Piero and co.; only 2 CL in their history

Barca

2 successful European periods; 1 under the Cruyff dream team; other in the Messi/Xavi/R10 era.

So, I don't see where this is this magical structure and planning in other clubs. In fact, our success has mostly come from homegrown talent (Outside of R10). Shouldn't that suggest we have better structure? Do you see the flaw in that line of thinking?