Real Madrid (old thread)

[Metaphysical]

Beast was saying that a couple seasons back in all fairness Meta. Didn't change shit. I'm worried because frankly we are short on adequate cover especially upfront.

yeah, I see the similarities to 08/09, but reial were never as close to us then as we are to them now - plus the level of opposition was exactly the same coz of that weird fixture set-up. unlike now where they've had mostly easy teams and we've had a much harder run.

our squad depth is fine on paper, the problem is now zlatan isn't pondering around in the middle of the attack drawing 2/3 defenders, pedro is finding himself 1v1 with a covering man, or 1v2, on a lot of occasions so his impact is basically null in terms of goalscoring. he needs to buck up coz he's not even playing well, really.

and then we have villa and bojan out of goalscoring form, which further hurts our attack and highlights the "lack" of depth. but both those guys just need to get one goal and that will get them going, villa especially is getting into great positions and coming SOOOO close that once one goes in he could explode. bojan has a fantastic start to kickstart his season with the copa tie vs. cueta.

Meta, the problem is we play to the level of our opposition while Madrid's machine-like performance is the same week in and week out. We stand the same chance of losing to every team, Madrid will crush crap teams but struggle against teams that actually try to outwit them. The problem is there are much more crap teams out there than good ones.

you're right, but like chelsea earlier in the PL - it's too easy for madrid. they're breezing teams with basically the same tactic every game. now if someone actually stands up to them, they will struggle more than usual because they will find it such a shock.

BUT MOSTLY: you two are legendary pessimists, so I'll just say this: lighten up.

 

[La Furia]

I hope you are right, but last year I was forced to drink the Mourinho kool-aid. That being said he's not some sort of tactics god...individual managers DID outwit him in the tactics-centric Serie A but he was so good at keeping club morale that they never had problems bouncing back..

 

[El Gato]

LF - Villa, Nolito
CF - Messi, Bojan
RF - Iniesta, Pedro

Mix it up if you have to. Looks alright to me.

Oh well, we all know that Iniesta is the best in midfield instead of the wing and Messi gave best performances on the right wing during sextuple season. Looks more like an ultimatum to me.

 

[Warik]

I've actually been really positive in the past couple of years. But as much as I hate to admit it we miss the big dickhead who sodded off in the summer. We should probably go for Llorente in January, but we won't. We are over relying on our youth currently tbh, Thago I have faith in but not so much Nolito, or Jonathan dos Santos.

 

[La Furia]

I've actually been really positive in the past couple of years. But as much as I hate to admit it we miss the big dickhead who sodded off in the summer. We should probably go for Llorente in January, but we won't. We are over relying on our youth currently tbh, Thago I have faith in but not so much Nolito, or Jonathan dos Santos.

I'm in the same boat, though I don't think he who shall not be named's loss is a problem. He doesn't play up to his height anyway, if there's any problem with Villa it's that he's been more of a step sideways so far. For me the problem is more complacency and teams figuring us out. Oh, and our defense is much worse.

 

[Metaphysical]

I hope you are right, but last year I was forced to drink the Mourinho kool-aid. That being said he's not some sort of tactics god...individual managers DID outwit him in the tactics-centric Serie A but he was so good at keeping club morale that they never had problems bouncing back..

hey, I've been peddling the mourinho kool-aid for a long time. he's a good tactician, a devious user of the media and a wondrous man-manager (basically a 21st century fergie - which is why he's nailed on to take over at OT once the scot retires).

but as you say, he's not some kind of god. reial will drop points again. right now everything is going for them in every game - that kind of luck doesn't last forever. and their form will dip as well, because that is also temporary.

plus, this is a league. it's a marathon not a sprint. october is not the time to be playing your best football.

also his domestic achievements with inter mean nothing. my mum could have won serie 'a' with both the squad he inherited and the squad he made.

I've actually been really positive in the past couple of years. But as much as I hate to admit it we miss the big dickhead who sodded off in the summer. We should probably go for Llorente in January, but we won't. We are over relying on our youth currently tbh, Thago I have faith in but not so much Nolito, or Jonathan dos Santos.

yeah I'm not seeing the magic in nolito. doesn't seem anything extra special to me.

thiago is quite clearly the tits. he should play more, tbh.

jona... I dunno.

we miss zlatan because he allowed pedro the room to score loads of goals. otherwise no, we're much better off without him. it is useful to have a big body CF for some opponents, though, as they usually draw a double-team which opens space up elsewhere.

but mainly our "problem" right now is the lack of goalscoring from villa, pedro and bojan. and it's just a form thing with villa and bojan, and form can change around in an instant.

 

[Raed]

When we are scoring 6 in a match Meta, please don't use the word luck because luck has nothing to do with it. The competition may not be great but don't take away the team's achievements with the word luck. It just isn't right. There is more bad luck in the game of football than good even though every once in a while, a ball goes through the wall, or takes an astonishing deflection and into the net, however our recent wins are anything but lucky.

Had Ranieri taken Inter, he would have ended second in the league, and now that Benitez is Inter's manager, he is struggling. Don't under estimate the difficulty of Serie A, because 7/10 managers in Calcio are more than capable of changing the styles about 3 times a game which is very difficult for a new manager.

Mourinho is in phase 2 of reconstructing the team. Phase 1 is a continuous process, which is teaching the defensive lines to retreat as a unit and defend in two's. Quickly. Phase 2 is to allow the team to harmonize in attack which required very similar line ups in order to flow in waves of quick attacks and efficient exectution. The most difficult part right now is phase 3. It wouldn't be facing a tough opponent that is going to make us struggle, but to have the bench synchronized with the flow of each game.

It is only logical and natural to struggle against other big teams, but we need to be able to change that first 11 into a much better 11 during the match against bigger opponents.

By the way, about farcelona, all of you wankers who are crying over the team's performance, there is only 1 problem that I see and that is the defense. A patch like this is inevetible and during times like these a 1 goal lead is more than enough to win a game. Make sure you don't concede anything though. Strength in the defense is strength transmitted into the whole team.

Buy the Mourinho @ Real Madrid DVD for the months of August and September. He has all the secrets.

 

[La Furia]

Well you are definitely right about Barca's defense. It's fucking terrible besides Valdes (and Pinto)

 

[Abaddon]

It's almost sad to watch you people try and convince each other that Mourinho really isn't anything special and Madrid are just riding their luck.

also, lol @ cules getting their panties all wet because someone other than Messi was suggested as the best player. 4 lucky goals they say, like all his goals right? What a farce.

 

[dalitis8]

Who said CR7 is not a good player?


But his goals today even though well taken were nothing spectacular.They were handed for him on a plate. And who exactly did Madrid beat in the past few games? Depor?Racing?The geriatric Milan? wait until you face the Chelskies,the Man Yoos,the Inters..and of course Barca.When you beat those teams,you will be the best.But for now,you are all potential(great potential,but still only potential)

As for Mou,I have repeatedly stated that he is prolly the best out there,what I do not accept,is that he is some kind of football demi-god.He simply is not,and that can be easily proven.As for Inter struggling under Rafa,that is utter crap.Last year,the great Mourinho managed to win the league by a single point after Roma(! a team defeated at home by Basel) drew with Sampdoria. Inter are doing pretty fine atm in both fronts and Eto'o is infinitely superior to what he was under Mou.Inter also have to make do without the out-of-form and now injured Milito,without Cambiasso and an out of sorts Maicon. So the fat waiter is doing pretty fine.

As for an epic four-goal haul.Ladies and gentlemen,I give you this:

 

[Abaddon]

But his goals today even though well taken were nothing spectacular.They were handed for him on a plate.

True. Does it matter? When someone suggests CR7 as the best player in football, it surely is not because of the 4 tap ins he scored today. It is in no way a travesty to suggest Ronaldo as the best player over Messi, even if you disagree with it.

And who exactly did Madrid beat in the past few games? Depor?Racing?The geriatric Milan? wait until you face the Chelskies,the Man Yoos,the Inters..and of course Barca.When you beat those teams,you will be the best.But for now,you are all potential(great potential,but still only potential)

blablabla same old story, everyone we face and beat was weak in hindsight. So easy.

As for Mou,I have repeatedly stated that he is prolly the best out there,what I do not accept,is that he is some kind of football demi-god.He simply is not,and that can be easily proven.

Of course he isn't, that doesn't even need to be proven.

As for an epic four-goal haul.Ladies and gentlemen,I give you this:

yawn.

 

[dalitis8]

1.Even though I would concede that CR7 is comparable to Messi,it would be a bit extravagant to claim that he is actually better than Messi.

2.I speciafically named a few teams there,when you beat those I will salute you.I am not saying that Madrid are not pretty damn good atm(it would be impossible with a squad like that to be anything other than great) But you cannot readily claim that you are the best until you have faced and beaten at least some of them.I am really sorry,but Racing,Depor and AC Milan are not good teams.

3.We agree on that one then.Good.

4.Yawn???????????????????????????????? At probably the most EPIC individual performance of the last decades?

 

[BARCA-kt]

honesty, madrid play an entetaining match just like barca 2 years ago. But one thing i dont know, why pep always let messi play at centre forward? Where's villa? shouldn't be play pedro-villa-messi ?? Dont blame villa for not scoring goals for us, blame the coach. Also, macherano is a flop, he used to tackle on players without using brain. Now i miss yaya and etoo.. no offense

 

[Beast]

Thanks for Nolan , Raed (great post ) ,Ward all great posts in a sea of rubbish , knee jerk reactions from our results and clutching at straws

excellent game tonight and our records keep improving in every front , so good for Jose defensive tactics that will drive the Bernabeu insane from boredom , right wankers ?

22 goals scored in 8 games , 4 concede , unbeaten , top of the league 18 goal difference or main rivals behind us scored 14 and conceded 6 GD 8...

u want to talk about luck see Real first couple of games including Ajax.. that's luck , back luck
since the levante game (One of our great lucky games bad that we should ran out from pretty soon) we have scored 16 goals in 3 league games ... as you see Jose is boring compared to Barca imperial 5 goals in 3 games
bunch of wankers

can't wait for the next game , Hercules away

 

[Gnegneri]

Weren't you, like, one of those wankers who feared Mourinho before he got signed? :icon_neutral: